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Assembly passes same-sex marriage bill
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Posted on 09/06/2005 8:21:03 PM PDT by America First Libertarian

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To: Sun Soldier
"All I can say is that if the people feel strongly enough about the issue, no amount of money should be able to buy their vote. Hence, these Dems will be gone after the next election. Yes, money is power but information will trump the money in this case if the voters have conviction."

California dims stay in power whilst regularly subverting the will of constituents the same way WA state dims do, completly misleading them with the help of the media. Take WA's last session. They exercised "emergency" clauses on unpopular bills 98 times on everything from taxing rain collected in buckets to adopting CA's emission standards, to a 9 cent a gallon gas tax, right after a 5 cent gas tax, right after a 9 cent tax was soundly defeated, and oh btw next year we get another 2.8 cents gas tax, and all kinds of excise taxes and new registration fees just a couple years after having an initiative abolishing them. Our previous governor and his attorney general who is now governor have gone to court to try to take away our right of referendum, now that Gurgles is governor, she simply subverts the process by applying emergency clauses, which disallow referendums.

The state's 3 major rags and all it's TV MSM either completely ignore the new bills, flat out lie about them, print wildly misleading editorials, or blame it on George.

Most of the citizens in this state are wildly misled about the major issues of the day or don't even know they exist.

This is a state where Agnostic, Gay and Communist agendas are VERY actively pushed upon our children from very early ages, as is California, where I grew up. The people who push these agendas have taken great pains over very many years to place themselves in positions of influence in government, schools, and media, recruiting more like them whenever possible, while libertarians and alot of conservatives, people who don't have any agenda but getting their job done for the day and returning to their families, have sat back and let these groups organize to prey on our youth, their primary goal.

They have to recruit our youth or they will become socially irrelevant, which for a commie or a homo is worse than being extinct.

The peer pressure to become homosexual, left wing, and deny God is extreme in most colleges across the nation, very significant in middle and high school, and in text books in some elementary schools. Notice how "intelligent design" is only described as a "new alternative" to evolution?

Do the newspapers care that most of the people reading the articles will be offended by the anti God slant, or all the omissions of what our representatives are doing? Hell no, they know (most) people will still buy the rags for the rest of the news, not having anything to compare it with to know it's slanted, and eventually the sheep start thinking this must be the social norm, or it wouldn't be printed in all the papers, right?

121 posted on 09/07/2005 12:41:25 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (Ephesians 6: 17)
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To: Sun Soldier
Save your morally relative arguments for those ignorant enough to buy them... I am not discussing you, your wife, your sexual acrobatics, your family, your religion, your children or your politics -nor is grammar my concern... -back on point -your homosexual activism is what I posted in opposition to... I do not need to complain to a moderator when I can complain directly to the source -you... If you feel the need to defend homosexuality as anything other than a disorder or anything that does not merit just discrimination or you wish to ramble on and on regarding homosexual activity being 'love'-do it elsewhere because here is not the venue...

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122 posted on 09/07/2005 12:44:34 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: calcowgirl

I think.


123 posted on 09/07/2005 12:50:30 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Brad's Gramma; calcowgirl

"OK. Either I'M tired or you are.
Homosexuality IS about sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I know, that was stupid. It didn't sound that dumb while I was typing it. I was trying to seperate gay marriage legislation from the ugly details. Not possible.


124 posted on 09/07/2005 3:42:54 AM PDT by Sun Soldier
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To: DBeers
"What Free Republic is all about: "

Thanks. I see your point. I'm sure I read that when I joined but I never really abided by it. I will in the future and if I get the urge not to, I'll refer back to the founder's statement. Again, thank you.

"Free Republic is not a liberal debating society." ...duh, not sure how I missed that one but now I get it.

125 posted on 09/07/2005 4:08:03 AM PDT by Sun Soldier
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To: BlackElk

Big "if."


126 posted on 09/07/2005 4:48:51 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Good to see the CA legislature taking up issues that truly effect the lives of millions of Californians. Now on to legislating nacho cheese with jalapenos.


127 posted on 09/07/2005 6:21:40 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; ninenot; sittnick; onyx; ElkGroveDan; kellynla
One step at a time! Fabian perversion!

Now that lavender "marriage" has passed both houses of the California General Assembly, bestiality must be next.

Only then can the legislature break new ground in enacting a law protecting sex with vegetables (the kind that grow on plants not the kind that Californians elect to their General Assembly).

It would be helpful if the California Supreme Court would decide that current policy denies vegetables like jalapeno peppers or their human lovers "equality" under the law, if Mayor Gavin Newsome of San Frolicsisco would perform weddings of various alleged humans and various members of the Jalapeno-American community, if there were a national editorial campaign led by the New York Slimes, the San Francisco papers, the Los Angeles papers pointing out the brutal and, frankly, speciesist suppression of jalapeno passions or of interspecies amorous activity, if jalapeno sexual studies departments were established at our nation's institutions of higher education.

AND jalapenos are not the only victims of speciesist suppression. What about Turkish Red and Acapulco gold? Many Americans of just the sort who want relations with jalapenos (or jalapenos who are relations?) would also like to, well, be orally and inhalationally involved with the non-burning end of a roll of maryjane which is burning at the other end.

Nacho cheese or maryjane may be one thing but I suspect that sexual abuse of jalapeno peppers may be its own cure and punishment.

128 posted on 09/07/2005 7:01:11 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: America First Libertarian

Based on your expressed views, the likelihood of you living in unity with most Americans seems rather unlikely. We live in the wprld. We do not live in the world of Rand and a good thing we do not. I say this as a former Libertarian Party statewide officer who got married, had kids and grew up.


129 posted on 09/07/2005 7:10:27 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Ayn Carumba !


130 posted on 09/07/2005 7:23:44 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: Sun Soldier; Brad's Gramma

You DUmmie trolls are so much fun.....

"That is what you're worried about isn't it??? "

What's there to worry about? Are you really ignorant enough to think that people's opinions have changed in less than a year, especially red states?

The homosexual agenda is very dangerous. Trying to infiltrate elementary schools and teach kids about homosexuality, putting condoms on cucumbers in 2nd and 3rd grade is disgusting.

The homosexual movement along with the left seeks to silence it's critics via crimializing what they label as "hate speech". It's being done in Canada already, a christian preacher was taken to trial for criticizing homosexuals. Another wrote a letter to the editor of a newspaper and is being sued by a pro-homosexual activist in court. It will come to America soon.

The third thing that's dangerous about the homosexual movement is they've pushed for a disproportionate amount of funding for AIDS (a preventable disease). This is leading to the death of other people. The CDC dedicates more money to AIDS/HIV than to any other disease.

Cardiovascular disease is the leading killer of men and women (See "Adult mortality, Profile of the Nation's Health" CDC fact book 2000-2001).

In 2000, 710,760 people died from a cardiovascular related disease, and 553,091 died from cancer, yet only 14,270 died from AIDS.


Data from the CDC Budget Request Summary 2004

Disease Actual CDC Budget


HIV/AIDS -research and domestic $787,421,000

HIV/AIDS - Global (CDC wide) $143,720,000

HIV/AIDS - (CDC wide) $931,141,000

Total HIV/AIDS $1,962,282,000

Arthritis $13,808,000

Breast and Cervical Cancer $191,965,000

Diabetes $61,683,000

Hep C $21,930,000


Prostate Cancer $14,062,000

Skin Cancer $1,647,000



"Ok, homosexuals are just dupes in a marxist conspiracy to tear down the family and our country?"
Did you read #66 including the links I provided? Did you read the list of communist goals? These are the ways to destabilize a society, by destroying marraige, the family unit, etc. Homosexuality is not the last sexual degeneracy to be pushed by the left-- next will be pedophelia and bestiality. Anyone who opposes that will be labeled as a pedophobic, bestophobic, etc.



The uprooting of traditional family institutions is also a goal of the homosexual revolution, which -- like the feminist movement -- has its origins in the Marxist Left and has been nurtured by the power elite. The American "gay rights" movement was inaugurated by the Mattachine Society, founded in the 1950s by Marxists Harry Hay and Rudi Gernreich. The ongoing and shockingly successful campaign to normalize homosexuality is the product of a cunning strategy that uses the mass media, especially entertainment, and other Establishment-controlled institutions to re-educate the public in favor of the unmentionable vice. That strategy was outlined, with stunning candor, in After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the '90's, by homosexual activists Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. Taking a page from Gramsci (and Goebbels), the authors urged that the Lavender Lobby mount a full-scale propaganda war to bring about the "conversion" of America through a "planned psychological attack." Through such means, the authors predicted, Americans would be "cured" of their opposition to homosexual perversion, "whether they like it or not."

" I suppose empowering women with the vote is another grenade in the marxist arsenal."

Nice attempt at trying to discredit the argument. But gramsci's goals are prophetic and being followed to the T.

The feminist movement is based on abortion, convincing women that marraige is "oppressive", etc. These are ways in which the family unit is undermined.

In fact, hitler who was a socialist was pro-homosexual, pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-environment, pro-animal rights, anti tobacco, anti-gun. These are the same goals that the entire left has, they dont even know how much in common they share with Hitler.


131 posted on 09/07/2005 11:14:28 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: DBeers

see #131


132 posted on 09/07/2005 11:16:18 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

"You DUmmie trolls are so much fun....."

Yes... DBeers already pointed out why I should just shut up and he was/is right so I will. (and will continue to do so in the future)

I'm not a Democrat or a Republican but I enjoy coming here because it's a patriotic crowd and I find alot of information that I don't think I'd find anywhere else.


133 posted on 09/08/2005 5:06:33 AM PDT by Sun Soldier
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To: Brad's Gramma

NARTH


134 posted on 09/08/2005 5:26:24 AM PDT by clockwise
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