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Assembly passes same-sex marriage bill
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Posted on 09/06/2005 8:21:03 PM PDT by America First Libertarian

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To: America First Libertarian

I understand what you are saying. You are trying to be understanding and loving.

Consider: When a teenager develops schizophrenia, we do not just say "Oh, yeah, that is hereditary. No sense in treating it." We know how distructive it is and we do our best to treat it, even if the treatment is not perfect yet.

Same with the Gays. Doesn't mean that we don't love them. Just the opposite. We care that they are doing something destructive to themselves and others -- they are virtually cutting their lifespan in half.


61 posted on 09/06/2005 9:56:37 PM PDT by Kay
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To: America First Libertarian

Actuarial tables state otherwise.

Homosexual men DO have shorter life spans. Your claim if the first time I see to any claim it is incorrect.

It is also correlated with the CDC life expectancy studies.

No myth. homosexuals have a shorter lifespan. fact.


62 posted on 09/06/2005 9:59:54 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: America First Libertarian

---There has not always been interracial marriages. It is most pronounced in american history, because we had such a high number of minorities.---

Absolute bull. Peoples have always mixed interracially. What in the world do you see south of the border? Everywhere people have traveled or conquered they have intermarried.

Name me one society in which a gay partner had any inherent rights.


63 posted on 09/06/2005 10:00:56 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Kay

schizophrenia meets the criteria for a mental disorder, homosexuality does not (although the APA is embarassed that it once did.) The authoritive source is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
http://www.appi.org/dsm.cfx


64 posted on 09/06/2005 10:01:37 PM PDT by America First Libertarian (America for Americans)
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To: America First Libertarian

Even in ancient athens, homosexuality was punished by expulsion and in the case of pedophilia, by death.

Homosexuality was never accepted by the polulace of any society. Even in ancient rome, the public considered those who practiced homosexuality to be freaks.


65 posted on 09/06/2005 10:02:12 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: America First Libertarian; Brad's Gramma; claudiustg; calcowgirl; El Cid



Homosexual marraige isn't about homosexuals. They are being used as a tool by the marxist machine carrying out Antonio Gramsci's blueprint for the planned destruction of the family unit. Antonio Gramsci was an italian communist who expanded on Marx's goals from the Communist Manifesto, one of which was abolition of the family unit. Homosexuals are being used as a tool by the radical left to destroy marraige and thus the family unit.
once the family unit is destroyed the state can take more control of a society.

A list of prophetic goals from the 1963 congressional record, all applicable ones to Gramsci's goals are included below:

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.





Informative articles:

"Gramsci: A method to the madness"
http://www.grecoreport.com/gramsci_a_method_to_the_madness.htm

"origins of political correctness"
http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html


66 posted on 09/06/2005 10:02:33 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: America First Libertarian

While Rome Burns!


67 posted on 09/06/2005 10:02:49 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: longtermmemmory

"The right was was already DONE! the people voted to NOT have homosexual marriage."

Correct. However, the people also voted for individuals to represent them. Obviously this issue carries enough weight (I have no idea why) for those individuals to pass this bill. Saying it's the "right way" is correct as far as the process of passing laws goes. If this bill is unacceptable, then the people will have no choice but to elect new representatives.


68 posted on 09/06/2005 10:03:23 PM PDT by Sun Soldier
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To: America First Libertarian

Hmmm. Sounds like you are a psychologist. If so, your comments are not surprising to me.


69 posted on 09/06/2005 10:05:05 PM PDT by Kay
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To: Sun Soldier

Kind of an uphill battle when ones state is controlled by corrupt unions.


70 posted on 09/06/2005 10:05:18 PM PDT by Red RN
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To: America First Libertarian

The same organization tried to decriminalize pedophilia in the 1990's.

The DSM has become a political tool.

The removal of homosexuality was a POLITICAL decision not a scientific decision. There are psychologists that believe homosexuality should be placed in the DSM. It is also notworthy that the DSM is no longer the end all be all.

There is more than enough hired gun scientists who will work well outside of the joke of the DSM


71 posted on 09/06/2005 10:05:38 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

please see #66


72 posted on 09/06/2005 10:09:18 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: America First Libertarian
Not "A" magazine, but a constant preaching of it.

I just hope they don't have to give thier lives like so many of us baby boomers had to.

What's THIS got to do with the issue at hand???

73 posted on 09/06/2005 10:09:41 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Sun Soldier

wrong.

It is about how we raise children. Homosexuals are irrelevant to society. They have no reason to seek marriage other than to legitimize their sexual conduct as equal to normal sexual conduct.

The fact is that these legislators are bypassing the will of the people.

The right thing would be for the legislators to respect the people and stop playing checkbook politics.

If anything this shows why we need the Federal Marriage Amendment to end this effort to define marriage as a adult sex behavior and not about producing and raising children.


74 posted on 09/06/2005 10:09:58 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: sandyeggo

Thank you.


75 posted on 09/06/2005 10:10:18 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Thank YOU!!!


76 posted on 09/06/2005 10:11:45 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Brad's Gramma; All

Apostle of Perversion

The role of changing America's "sexual mores" was assigned to sexologist Alfred Kinsey, who in 1948 published Sexual Behavior in the Human Male -- the opening salvo in the "sexual revolution." Underwritten by the Rockefeller Foundation and eagerly embraced by strategically placed subversives who had honeycombed American institutions of law and social sciences, the Kinsey report targeted the moral foundations of our culture and opened a Pandora's Box of social evils, including promiscuity, divorce, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, and the sexual exploitation of children.

In fact, as Dr. Judith Reisman has carefully documented in her two invaluable exposes, Kinsey, Sex and Fraud, and Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences, the methods employed by Kinsey and his despicable associates included "scientifically" supervised episodes of child molestation, as well as the use of convicted sex offenders and other deviants as the "representative" sample of American society. On the basis of this fraudulent "research," Kinsey insisted that, at any given time, 95 percent of adult American males were actively engaged in some form of deviant sexual behavior.

The widely accepted myth that 10 percent of the population is homosexual is the most obvious illustration of Kinsey's influence. However, as Dr. Reisman point[s] out, ... the Kinsey cabal's malign influence extends far beyond the mainstreaming of homosexuality. Kinsey and his accomplices set out with the intention "to topple, or greatly weaken, laws concerning rape, seduction, prostitution, sodomy, bestiality, indecent exposure, incest, bigamy, nudity, obscenity, adultery, fornication, adult-child sex, illicit cohabitation, pornography, smoking opium and other narcotics." Morris Ernst, Kinsey's lawyer (who was, not surprisingly, affiliated with the American Civil Liberties Union), insisted that "virtually every page of the Kinsey Report touches on some section of the legal code." With the help of other Gramsci-style "change agents" who had insinuated themselves into legal and academic institutions, Kinsey and his colleagues were able to decimate scores of "antiquated" laws and social standards. One indication of Kinsey's legal impact, notes Dr. Reisman, "is the fact that Kinsey is the most cited sex scientist by far in Westlaw and the other legal indices."

"It is difficult to exaggerate the horrendous effects of the widespread promotion and acceptance of [Kinsey's] work," comments Dr. Reisman. "Kinsey's 'research' shook America's moral foundations and launched the Sexual Revolution in the 1960s. Its terrible results are obvious in the skyrocketing incidence of all the social pathologies afflicting us today: divorce, abortion, sexual promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, illegitimate births, cohabitation, pornography, homosexuality, sadomasochism, rape, child molestation, sexual crimes of all types, family breakup, [and] endemic violence. ..."


77 posted on 09/06/2005 10:11:50 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: longtermmemmory

No cameron cited an unnamed, unsourced cdc study. Paul Cameron has been debunked over and over, even changing his own stats. I've looked at the cdc tables they say nothing:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm


78 posted on 09/06/2005 10:12:06 PM PDT by America First Libertarian (America for Americans)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Bumping your post!


79 posted on 09/06/2005 10:14:16 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

---Homosexuals are being used as a tool by the radical left to destroy marriage and thus the family unit. ---

Because the radical left believes that the family unit is the very center of impenetrable darkness in society. If the family unit could be wiped out then children could be raised in the perfect light of scientific leftist wisdom and humankind could be perfected. The family unit is the very beating heart of all superstition, hatred, and mental illness.

This is not about being kind and tolerant to others. This is about putting your entire civilization into the trash bin.


80 posted on 09/06/2005 10:14:53 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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