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For 2008, Hillary Trails Both Giuliani and McCain (Rasmussen Poll)
Angus Reid ^ | 9/6/05

Posted on 09/06/2005 6:58:18 AM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: EagleUSA
The Repubs have NO CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE to run.

What is your objection to Allen, Pawlenty, and Brownback?

21 posted on 09/06/2005 7:17:09 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: JohnnyZ
What is your objection to Allen, Pawlenty, and Brownback?

Now? Only name recognition.

22 posted on 09/06/2005 7:22:19 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: JohnnyZ

What is your objection to Allen, Pawlenty, and Brownback?
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We have a voting public that votes on many factors OTHER THAN substance and what is needed for the country as a whole. In this twisted environmnet, would these names fare well? Name recognitions? The same perverted stupidity and ignorance that "qualifies" Hitlery to be our C-in-C and President, are the same factors that disqualify potentially good and qualified Presidential candidates. Would these guys fight HARD from a conservative viewpoint and SLAM THE LIBS HARD???

I am afraid that is what it is going to take in 2008 and I don't see that level of fortitude here...have I overlooked a STRONG, CONSERVATIVE FIGHTER (oxymoron?) here???


23 posted on 09/06/2005 7:25:25 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: rhombus
This sure sounds like '92 all over again.

More like '96. There are several reasons this doesn't resemble '92.

In 92 you had an incumbant GOP president who would have coasted to re-election but for several convergences that severely damaged his campaign:
1. His foolish and short-sighted compromise with the democrats in 1990 where he signed their tax increase and then took the full blame for going back on his "no new taxes" pledge.
2. The GOP primary assault by Pat Buchanan that drained resources into a defensive primary campaign.
3. The "Reform Party" campaign of Ross Perot with its singleminded goal of defeating Bush. (Every move during the campaign, the withdrawal, the re-entry, etc. was calculated to defeat Bush's re-election.)
4. The "Recession" and the media's complicity in clinton's "It's the economy, Stupid" campaign. Every economist in the world was aware of the FACT that the recession ended in March 1991 (over 18 full months before the election) and that we were in an economic recovery for over a year at the time of the election. The economy was growing, but the media continued to report as if we were in a recession.

These conditions converged on the Bush campaign from all directions and he lost a re-election bid that should have been his for the taking, making clinton the accidental president.

1996, however, was similar in that the GOP had a lack of clear leadership at the top of the party and chose to go with the lifetime achievement candidate. Dole was considered "most electable" out of the field of candidates even though he was clearly not a standard bearer for the party's agenda. If we run Guiliani or McCain because somebody thinks they poll well or are "electable", we will see a repeat of 1996.

24 posted on 09/06/2005 7:31:45 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: areafiftyone

With choices like that, I'll stay home in droves.


25 posted on 09/06/2005 7:34:24 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google CFR North American Community)
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To: RockinRight

Haley Barbour. Interesting. Hadn't thought about him before for Pres. Good management style under stress (unlike Blanco). Personable. Good TV presence (like it or not, a needed quality in the video age).


26 posted on 09/06/2005 7:34:26 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: VRWCmember

I can forsee a possible third party candidate rallying the base over immigration. Especially if the Republicans go "centrist" and anger their base. Welcome back to the white house - Accidental President II.


27 posted on 09/06/2005 7:37:55 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: 6SJ7
Good TV presence (like it or not, a needed quality in the video age).

Essential.

28 posted on 09/06/2005 7:38:51 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: EagleUSA
In this twisted environmnet, would these names fare well? Name recognitions?

At the beginning of the campaign, no one outside of Massachusetts had heard of John Kerry or John Edwards -- even if they'd heard the name, it meant nothing to them. Absolutely no one had heard of Howard Dean.

All three became household names over the course of the campaign. You don't need name rec to begin a campaign. You need a message, some seed money, and a public record.

29 posted on 09/06/2005 7:40:03 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: EagleUSA

Coleman of MN. Bright, young (relatively speaking), telegenic, VERY conservative and pro-life without being considered sanctimonious about it. He dissected Mondale in the debates for the Senate election. He would also pull a Midwest that has been sliding blue-ish firmly back into the red category. That may not mean anything for the blue coasts, but it may help in the SW states as well. He has been all over the UN Oil for Fraud scandal, and not afraid to take on the big issues in a big way.


30 posted on 09/06/2005 7:42:01 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Prayers for the people of LA, MS, AL, and FL.)
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To: areafiftyone

Generally a very good poll source BUMP!


31 posted on 09/06/2005 7:44:02 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: areafiftyone

Anything to STOP Der Fuerher Hitlery.

Everyone should say NO to the hildabeast, Bubba has for decades.


32 posted on 09/06/2005 7:46:02 AM PDT by highlymotivated (If American ever falls, a STINKING LIBERAL will be behind it.)
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To: areafiftyone

The very question is ultra-left wing propaganda. Rudi is barely a Republican and McCain is only for McCain. Neither one is likely to be the nominee in 2008. But, the left wing is simply lowering expectations here. They can say, "Well, neither of the guys that could beat Hillie have been nominated and they were her only worry."


33 posted on 09/06/2005 7:46:09 AM PDT by Tacis ("Democrats - The Party of Traitors, Treachery and Treason!")
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To: VRWCmember
He does not reflect GOP values and would not govern as a conservative

I think he would adapt from governing a liberal city to governing a conservative country. I cannot see him treating the USA as NYC.

34 posted on 09/06/2005 8:05:03 AM PDT by zeebee
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To: areafiftyone
Let's hope that this is the last of the silly summer polls that are nothing more than entertainment. They're like action movies that you would ONLY go to see on vacation precisely because they are "mindless fantasy".
The beast will never be the president of this country. She has now racked up 4 consecutive polls that show the same number 40% of people who would never vote for her. You can't win anything giving up 4 of 10 voters before you even open your campaign HQ. Plus this new poll shows her at 43% disapprove. DEADLY!
Neither the guy who will be "Rudy who?" by 2008 nor mcpain (media) Az will be able to win in GOP primaries.
The man standing with his right hand in the air on Jan. 20 2009 will be George Allen. His VP will be Ken Blackwell.
35 posted on 09/06/2005 9:06:12 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (The quisling ratmedia: always eager to remind us of why we hate them.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Don't think it will be George Allen. He has NO appeal. He's as dull as dishwater. I am hoping someone else will do it.


36 posted on 09/06/2005 9:08:32 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: zeebee
As one who saw Rudy's 2nd term up close, I can say he's exactly the WRONG man for the job. A horrible narcissist with dictatorial impulses, he squandered his 1st term accumulated capital on his personal life, his prostate, and some icky art in Brooklyn, totally ignoring taxes, rent control, and education. 9/11 is the only thing that saved his reputation. He's not right in the head. Rudy is about Rudy. He has been since his days at Justice -- never forget, he's the architect of the Mexican amnesty under Reagan.
37 posted on 09/06/2005 9:09:38 AM PDT by BroncosFan ("Now we grieve, 'cause now it's gone / But things were good when we were young.")
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
I'll stay home in droves

You mean there is more than one of you? Are you cloned? ;-)

38 posted on 09/06/2005 9:10:00 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone

Rasmussen should drop McCain from the test heats vs Hillary and replace him with Secretary Rice.


39 posted on 09/06/2005 9:43:42 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: rhombus

Wait until the conservatives are forced to run a 3rd party candidate in order to have anyone to vote for. Then she won't be trailing anybody.


40 posted on 09/06/2005 10:10:08 AM PDT by penowa (I've been Quinnoculated, have you?)
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