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Atheists: No prayer for disaster victims (Barf Alert?)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | September 5, 2005 | WorldNetDaily.com

Posted on 09/05/2005 7:32:04 PM PDT by Jacob Kell

The American Atheists organization says President Bush should stop urging prayer for Hurricane Katrina victims because it violates the Constitution.

Ellen Johnson, president of the group said Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and Bush "should not be violating the Constitution by telling people to pray for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. It's unconstitutional for government officials to be promoting religion; and besides, judging from the speed of some relief efforts, officials should be busy working instead of preaching."

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KEYWORDS: americanatheists; atheism; atheists; blanco; bush; davesilverman; ellenjohnson; freethinkers; freethought; governerblanco; humanism; humanists; hurricanekatrina; katrina; prayer; presidentbush
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To: savedbygrace
You were wrong to begin with, and it's not even a close call.

I don't think so. I totally agree with what is said in the Constitution. I left out "establishment", but implied it in my initial statement. The point is that it applies to Congress, and not to any other branch.

121 posted on 09/05/2005 9:33:27 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: PresbyRev
Praying is great. I simply don't need the President, Congress or Supreme Court suggesting or telling me to engage in religious devotion.

So ignore them if they do.

122 posted on 09/05/2005 9:34:38 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: PresbyRev

"Praying is great. I simply don't need the President, Congress or Supreme Court suggesting or telling me to engage in religious devotion."

Well, it's nice to know you don't need it. Don't listen, that is your right. I do need it and like it, as do thousands of other Christian Americans. That is OUR right.

And by the way...you have still failed to cut and paste the part in the Constitution where it orders the separation of church and state. Are you having trouble finding it?


123 posted on 09/05/2005 9:35:03 PM PDT by SvdByFaith (not my will, but THY will oh Lord!)
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To: savedbygrace

I like your screen name! :o)


124 posted on 09/05/2005 9:38:33 PM PDT by SvdByFaith (not my will, but THY will oh Lord!)
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To: PresbyRev
Jefferson and other founders intended that religion, specifically the Church, not become an arm of the State --- nor in turn coerce or control the State.

Watch the baby of a Judeo-Christian morality get tossed out with the "sectarian" bathwater. Really, there is no good reason to object to gay marriage, or child pornography, or man-boy lovelust without it, or something of similar authority and values in its place (and I don't see any rush to, say, Hinduism or Orthodox Judaism any time soon). Then puzzle yourself real good about why we find ourselves in a second Sodom.

125 posted on 09/05/2005 9:39:51 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: PresbyRev

Why are you so angry about prayer?
Do you need prayer?
Would you like some prayer?
What is the real issue here?
What is it about GWB and his call for prayer that really makes you so mad?


126 posted on 09/05/2005 9:41:57 PM PDT by roylene
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To: Jacob Kell

She's just proven she's wrong about at least 2 things...


127 posted on 09/05/2005 9:42:41 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Jacob Kell

i find that the American Atheists (the organisation) does not represent the thoughts of most Atheists i have ever known. They do seem to spend quite a bit of time and resources making ridicle of something they profess not to believe.


128 posted on 09/05/2005 9:51:47 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: PresbyRev

Why not? Just because of their position, they don't have to censor their own religious beliefs. They still have them, and if they want to encourage people to pray, or any other good thing, I'm all for it!


129 posted on 09/05/2005 9:55:04 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: PresbyRev

I just discussed this article and the posts that followed it with a friend of mine who is a card-carrying member of the ACLU and a proud supporter of John Kerry...he agrees you need to get over it.
When the President endorses a particular religion, or says if you don't pray, you'll be shot dead in the street, then I'd worry. Also, I noticed that it's not the hurricane victims who are upset at the thought of people praying for them.


130 posted on 09/05/2005 9:57:46 PM PDT by chae (American by birth, Angry by choice)
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To: roylene

We do need to pray for people like PresbyRev. I don't know about you, but I think I just heard the rooster crow.


131 posted on 09/05/2005 10:22:12 PM PDT by SvdByFaith (not my will, but THY will oh Lord!)
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To: Reaganesque

Just leave us alone Ellen Johnson. If you dont want to hear what the President is saying just turn your darn TV off............go do something useful in your life. Will you?


132 posted on 09/05/2005 11:05:57 PM PDT by lcdrdude
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To: Mike Darancette
When one of them is trapped in the attic of a house with the water rising toward their chin, what do they think about?

How to get out?

133 posted on 09/05/2005 11:23:43 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Jacob Kell

I think you all missed the funniest part. The bottom of the article says

"Those wishing to contribute to hurricane relief efforts can donate to the Salvation Army online or by calling 1-800-725-2769. Red Cross donations can be made online or by calling 1-800-435-7669."

Hmmm ... no athiests?


134 posted on 09/06/2005 2:27:46 AM PDT by TheSpaceCoyote
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT!!!!!!!


135 posted on 09/06/2005 3:08:05 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: PresbyRev
"For the same reason the Old Testament kings were not to perform the functions of the priest."

That's bordering foolish. Those same OT kings, in many instances, pleaded with the people to lift their voices to the Lord. At other times - they, themselves petitioned Him for His consideration. (hint - King Hezekiah)

Are you afraid the President might usurp your authority? or that someone might turn from their ways and realize Him as Lord?

Whatever - a so-called "reverend" who holds no more advocacy for prayer than you appear, AFAIC, I have no respect for. For the true follower of Christ, His commands supercede the Constitution.

136 posted on 09/06/2005 3:11:27 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Jacob Kell
Are they organizing relief efforts? Are they pulling people in? Nuff Said.
137 posted on 09/06/2005 3:14:48 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: berkeleybeej

The Southern Baptist and Salvation Army Feed more and Shelter more than anyone else combined in the region

But the athiest have the media to get thier word out.

Things seem upside down so often


138 posted on 09/06/2005 4:21:33 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: nwrep
You don't get it. The 1st Amendment does not prohibit Congress from endorsing a religion. Endorse means approve of. Congress can pass a bill that says the Catholic church is doing many wonderful things with all the charity work they do. That's an endorsement.

What Congress cannot do is establish a religion as the required religion, or pass any laws requiring any particular religious actions or behavior. That's an establishment.

At this point in time, though, the 1st Amendment has been so perverted by the ACLU, etc., that establish means to allow a little girl to have her prayer beads in school.

So, it's obvious there's a significant difference between establishment and endorsement. In Federalist #84, Hamilton wrote:

I go further, and affirm that bills of rights, in the sense and to the extent in which they are contended for, are not only unnecessary in the proposed Constitution, but would even be dangerous. They would contain various exceptions to powers not granted; and, on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do? Why, for instance, should it be said that the liberty of the press shall not be restrained, when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed? I will not contend that such a provision would confer a regulating power; but it is evident that it would furnish, to men disposed to usurp, a plausible pretense for claiming that power. They might urge with a semblance of reason, that the Constitution ought not to be charged with the absurdity of providing against the abuse of an authority which was not given, and that the provision against restraining the liberty of the press afforded a clear implication, that a power to prescribe proper regulations concerning it was intended to be vested in the national government. This may serve as a specimen of the numerous handles which would be given to the doctrine of constructive powers, by the indulgence of an injudicious zeal for bills of rights.

As can be easily seen today, Hamilton pegged this one right on the money. I see any attempt to degrade our rights as citizens by changing "establishment" to "endorsement" as being the same usurpment Hamilton warned of.

The USSC has similarly usurped with their recent Kelos decision, changing "public use" to "public purpose". We must be vigilant all the time.

139 posted on 09/06/2005 6:58:17 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: The Red Zone
All the constitutions in the world can't stand against the Word of God,

Amen.

And it is the grace of God that any of us are saved, not how good we consider ourselves to be.

America is blessed by God for a reason, and Christians will answer for what they do, or don't do towards that purpose. I believe that "purpose" is that the Word of God (gospel) will be preached to all the nations. Sometimes I think religious people actually think God blessed America so that they can have all the stuff, because they are good.
140 posted on 09/06/2005 7:02:25 AM PDT by Delphinium
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