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New Orleans police to be pulled off streets
Seattle Times ^ | September 5, 2005 | Chris Adams, Martin Merzer and Susannah A. Nesmith

Posted on 09/05/2005 2:47:58 AM PDT by Uncle Joe Cannon

New Orleans police to be pulled off streets

By Chris Adams, Martin Merzer and Susannah A. Nesmith Knight Ridder Newspapers

NEW ORLEANS — On the seventh day, the mayor of New Orleans said he would surrender control of his shattered city to federal and state officials, and authorities issued dire predictions of the human cost of Hurricane Katrina.

"We need to prepare the country for what's coming," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday. "We are going to uncover people who died hiding in the houses, maybe got caught in floods. It is going to be as ugly a scene as you can imagine."

Last night, Mayor Ray Nagin said his entire police force would be pulled off the streets by tomorrow and all firefighters, paramedics and emergency dispatchers also were being sidelined. They will be sent to Baton Rouge for evaluation and counseling, he said.

He noted that two police officers committed suicide in recent days, and he said the other uniformed officers were traumatized by recent events. National Guard troops and state law-enforcement officers will replace them, he said.

"I'm not going to sit back and let another one die," Nagin said.

In one incident yesterday, seven men fired at a sheriff's deputy who had been sent to New Orleans from another part of Louisiana. The deputy was hauling a boat to a staging area for a rescue mission at the time, police said. Police officers shot the seven men, police said, killing two.

"The security forces won," Nagin said. "We're going to make this city safe. Anybody out there who has any ideas of doing anything but evacuating — there will be serious consequences."

Also yesterday, clergy and their flocks prayed for the souls of the dead — and for deliverance of the living. "God didn't bring this destruction on us," Vince Munoz of Biloxi, Miss., told 40 people at what little was left of the Lutheran Church of the Good Shepherd in Biloxi, where congregants worshipped in an outdoor courtyard.

"It's the nature of the planet since the Garden of Eden," he said. "God is using this to help us reach out to each other."

In a separate incident, a civilian helicopter lay on its side in New Orleans after an apparent crash landing last night. Details weren't immediately available, but early reports said two crew members suffered injuries.

Chertoff's comments and others by federal officials echoed the predictions of state and city officials and seemed designed to condition Americans for death counts that could reach the thousands. President Bush yesterday called Katrina, which struck the area last Monday, a "tidal wave of disaster."

"I think it's evident it's in the thousands," Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt said yesterday on CNN before he headed to the area.

Louisiana officials released their first official death toll — 59 — but said they knew of 100 other victims in the state, and they expected the number to soar as attention turned from searching for survivors to recovering the dead.

"We were working for the living, and now we are working for the dead and the living," said Dr. Louis Cataldie, a state medical official in Louisiana. "It's pretty tough, pulling out dead bodies."

In St. Gabriel, La., northwest of New Orleans, authorities guarded a 125,000-square-foot warehouse transformed into a morgue capable of holding more than 1,000 bodies. Residents said trucks, some refrigerated, had been stopping there for days, though no one knew if any bodies had been delivered.

"I wasn't able to help the living," said St. Gabriel Mayor George Grace, "so I was not at all upset about having a suitable place to house the dead."

In the New Orleans area, down this blocked street and around that tattered corner, portions of the city blinked back to life. Some people emerged from their homes for the first time in almost a week; some traffic lights even burst into green, yellow and red.

"Today, Sunday — right now — this is the first time I've come out," said Deborah Phelps, 56, of the Bywater section, near the French Quarter.

Throughout the region, people reached out to each other, often with sad results.

Rescue teams along the upper Gulf Coast struggled to gain access to wrecked inland communities, and when they did reach them, they often discovered bodies.

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour said 12 dead were found in Laurel, Miss., almost 100 miles inland.

In New Orleans, an odd, eerie sense of serenity was punctuated only by the sound of helicopters hovering above rescue sites.

Missing were the usual post-storm sounds of recovery: the hum of portable generators, the buzz of chain saws clearing roads, the tap-tap-tap of homeowners hammering blue tarpaulins on broken roofs.

One reason: Few survivors remained in the city that little more than a week earlier was home to 485,000 people. Most of the living had been evacuated, but casualties still floated down the streets and lay abandoned on highways.

Still, holdouts refused to leave, to the amazement of appalled volunteers who searched house-to-house through flooded, broken, starving neighborhoods.

At one point, a U.S. Navy helicopter hoisted a resident in a basket, brought her into the helicopter and whisked her away to one of the area's evacuation centers. Her neighbors wept and waved as they watched her go.

They said they were staying behind to care for older residents who refused to leave.

"That is not a reasonable alternative," Chertoff told "Fox News Sunday." "We are not going to be able to have people sitting in houses in the city of New Orleans for weeks and months while we de-water and clean this city."

A water-rescue team from Jefferson County, Ky., worked as hard to persuade people to evacuate as it worked to find them in the first place.

"The ones who didn't want to leave at first are now realizing they're running out of food, water and medicine, and it's time to go," said Eddie Whitworth, a team member.

Whitworth said the rescuers found two families that didn't want to leave the bodies of loved ones, but ultimately they were convinced that they had to save themselves.

Those who insisted on remaining behind included some of the city's quirkiest inhabitants, people such as Larry Wheeler, a disabled Vietnam veteran who sat in a lounge chair outside his apartment on dry but tree-clogged Sophie Wright Place. He smoked a cigarette and listened to the radio.

He pointed to his second-floor apartment. "That's Fort Larry right up there," he said.

Much of the metropolitan area remained flooded, but portions of the city had avoided the floods, though not the chaos provoked by the hurricane and its aftermath.

The sense of danger that was prevalent Thursday and Friday had dissipated but not disappeared. People who had been afraid to come out of their homes for fear of looters finally did so. Police, National Guardsmen and deputy sheriffs from far-away counties and parishes patrolled the city — with weapons at the ready.

In Jefferson Parish, some traffic signals were coming to life. Work crews in lift trucks worked on traffic signals on Causeway Boulevard. On River Road, which hugs the Mississippi River levee, some signals were already on.

To the north, in the overwhelmed city of Baton Rouge, hundreds of evacuees continued to pour into makeshift shelters, often seeking lost relatives.

One man carried a sign with the name of his wife's family scrawled on it. Children searched lists for names of missing siblings. A mother asked volunteers for help finding her daughter. In other developments:

• Oil refiners made progress in restoring some of their lost production capacity. Exxon Mobil, Marathon Oil and offshore pipeline operators said their operations were beginning to ramp up.

• Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., a doctor, worked on patients at the makeshift medical-treatment center at the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport. Frist said he arrived Saturday and called the progress made at the airport facility "amazing."

"Yesterday was organized chaos," he said. "Today, there's no chaos."

• Emergency managers in Texas and many other parts of the country began coming to grips with the long-term consequences of the mass relocation of Americans generated by Katrina. More than 250,000 Louisiana evacuees are living in Texas. Others were expected as far away as Utah, West Virginia and Iowa.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: corrupt; katrina; leo; nationalguard; neworleans; nopd
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
I have a feeling what you are seeing on the TV feeds is pretty tame compared to some of what is there in the bowl. And you are not getting the smell, either.

It is different to walk into some place you don't know and see devastation vs your street, your home, your neighborhood.

41 posted on 09/05/2005 4:56:33 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.)
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To: Caipirabob

" there is a small percentage of people in NOLA who have damaged thier name and image"

The MSM is in the business of bringing the most negative images to the forefront, but I have been seeing somes positive stories of black NOLA residents helping out, rescuing people and protecting their fellow man. There is bad and good in every race of man.


42 posted on 09/05/2005 5:00:23 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!)
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To: Echo Talon

If he is only NOW reliquishing control....then the fault of lack of law enforcement and rescue belongs to....?


43 posted on 09/05/2005 5:03:21 AM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: brwnsuga
Very true, which is why I've donated to the cause to help them build a new life.

I have a very harsh attitude towards those who stayed behind who could have evacuated. It was done more than likely with criminal intent. These are the ones who see themselves as modern day warlords and are the ones firing on the rescuers.

Resuce and salvage those who we can. After that, I almost think it would be wiser to cordon off the city and wait for three months. Then bulldoze and rebuild.

44 posted on 09/05/2005 5:06:06 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
Sorry, this does not make sense to me. The New Orleans cops know their city very well and they should be assisting the feds in their search, and in the law enforcement. And to pull all firefighters, paramedics and emergency dispatchers off their jobs is so asinine, IMO. Is this what the feds really wanted to see happen, or this another mistake on the part of the mayor? Maybe someone can explain this to me? Thanks.
I seem to remember the real heroes in NYC were the police and firefighters who stayed on the job after the twin towers came down, assisting the feds in every way possible.
45 posted on 09/05/2005 5:07:26 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

They will never blame the residents of New Orleans...they might be labeled "racist".


46 posted on 09/05/2005 5:14:33 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: uncbob
Oh, it's different.

I read the report of two N.O. cops who changed into civilian clothes and drove a N.O. police car to Baton Rouge. They were stopped by B.R. cops thinking some N.O. civilians had stolen the police car.

I also read that something around 200 of 1,500 N.O. police officers simply went AWOL.

Further, I don't recall reports of any uniformed NYC police officers caught on video looting after the towers fell in NYC. Shameful video is available of N.O. officers looting.

That's pretty different, alright.

The notorious corruption of many New Orleans police officers has been well documented.

Whose earlier quote was it? "Half of Louisiana is under water and the other half is under indictment."

47 posted on 09/05/2005 5:19:40 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Caipirabob

"I feel nothing but shame from NOLA."

And that's the danger! I felt shame, digust and anger at the soldiers who played sex games with the AbuGhraib prisoneers....but never did my shame extend to the entire military. A few rotten apples are found in nearly every situation, in every profession... so to the fellow citizens who stayed and helped, the police, fire,doctors & nurses, we owe you thanks and we will not throw your heroic efforts into the same pile with those criminals!


48 posted on 09/05/2005 5:20:35 AM PDT by chgomac
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To: rawhide
I seem to remember the real heroes in NYC were the police and firefighters who stayed on the job after the twin towers came down, assisting the feds in every way possible.

Were their homes destroyed and their families evacuated to who knows where . And the NYC even when putting in very long days had a warm home with running water a good meal and a supporting family to come home to

In addition everybody was cooperating and they didn't have to spend their time chasing looters and the scum of society weren't harrassing them And the entire city of NY wasn't under water with NO WATER and NO ELECTRICITY

I wish you people would quit trying to compare this to the TWIN TOWERS like it was exactly the same thing
49 posted on 09/05/2005 5:21:08 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

The Feds need to seal the city off and empty it so they can dispose of the dead without actually counting them.


50 posted on 09/05/2005 5:22:21 AM PDT by Lessismore
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

I stand by my post
I am surprised as many stayed as they did

Let your family be evacutlated to who knows where and have YOUR house and city destroyed and then come back and tell me how you will stay around an do your duty trying to contain the scum of society


51 posted on 09/05/2005 5:24:11 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: rawhide

I think it may be a competence and corruption issue. But also the mayor and governor wanting to ensure that no blame fall son them for anything -- they can say they were abandoned by the feds at the beginning and then the feds took over, so therefore they have no responsiblity. F'em!


52 posted on 09/05/2005 5:24:21 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

I have to wonder how many of them are are going to retire on their newly acquired jewelry holdings.


53 posted on 09/05/2005 5:25:33 AM PDT by IGOTMINE (Front Sight. Press. Follow Through. It's a way of life.)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

I have been listening to Mark Simone on WABC(NYC)this morning.He claims that these two incompetent BOZOS(Blanco and Nagin)didn't even attempt to execute their own(in place)evacuation plan!I guess we've all seen all those buses just sitting there half flooded!!Not only that,but there was ZERO communication between them because the cells were down and they had no satellite phones!!!!


54 posted on 09/05/2005 5:25:52 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
Others were expected as far away as Utah, West Virginia and Iowa.

Great. Can't wait.

Like the wonderful idea by church groups to sponsor and bring the Somalis to Maine or the Hmong to Minnesota. People of NO will NOT assimilate into the cultures of those states. It is bound to fail.

Don't these do-gooders have an ounce of brain cells in their heads?

55 posted on 09/05/2005 5:29:40 AM PDT by PLK
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To: uncbob

You make a good point!


56 posted on 09/05/2005 5:30:09 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Lessismore

why wouldn't they count the dead?


57 posted on 09/05/2005 5:31:26 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: brwnsuga

I saw a NO policeman earlier in the week give a blistering interview on his thoughts about the few police officers who were giving his force a bad name....he spoke from his heart about the oath they took to protect people.

The interview was only shown once,unfortunately. There is no excuse for a corrupt policeman who looted....others may have thought they needed to get their own family to safety and they will get back on the job OK.


58 posted on 09/05/2005 5:33:20 AM PDT by chgomac
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
"We're going to make this city safe.

Moron Mayor, you no longer have a city, it's a large sewage holding pond

59 posted on 09/05/2005 5:35:42 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon
Last night, Mayor Ray Nagin said his entire police force would be pulled off the streets by tomorrow and all firefighters, paramedics and emergency dispatchers also were being sidelined. They will be sent to Baton Rouge for evaluation and counseling, he said.

The entire police force should be pulled off the streets permanently. According to an article I just read on Drudge, the New Orleans cops pretty much acted like just another armed gang, staking out their territory and threatening citizens seeking help. Evaluation and counseling is not going to fix the rottenness that has consumed that whole force. And I am also astounded that absolutely no one in the MSM is challenging official explanations that it was too dangerous for the police to be out on the streets trying to rstore order or even joining in the looting. For goodness sakes, when someone accepts a badge from a supposedly professional police force, he or she accepts the risks that go with. Not these cops apparently...

60 posted on 09/05/2005 5:36:54 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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