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Top federal officials left out of loop (Well wha-da-ya know)
The Washington Times ^ | 09-05-05 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 09/04/2005 11:39:17 PM PDT by smoothsailing

State and local officials did not inform top federal officials early on of the deaths and lack of food among hurricane victims in the Superdome or convention center, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday.

Mr. Chertoff said neither he nor Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown was told of the deteriorating situation in New Orleans until Thursday night.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: blanco; brown; cary; chertoff; dhs; disaster; fema; flood; homelandsecurity; hurricane; hurricanekatrina; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; landrieu; levee; louisiana; militia; nagin; nationalguard; neworleans; superdome
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To: ReverendJesseJackster
To a point, I see things your way. But it seems odd to me that FEMA/Homeland Security would be content to wait it out until state/local authorities cooperated more. Flying a helicopter over the scene (like tens or hundreds of newsgatherers did) would have given the Feds a good assessment of the situation. How much coordination do you need when so many people are getting killed? It's a decision you have to make: either you have a few incidents of feds shooting at state policemen, helicopter near misses, gunfights with hoodlums, etc, or you have countless of people dead from drowning, heat exhaustion, rioting etc. The latter is what happened. Yes, the corrupt Banana Republic of Louisian probably bears much of the blame for this, but the executive branch of the federal government could have been more proactive about this too. As for the Dept. of Homeland Security, it's proved itself to be what a lot of people predicted it would be: a huge bureaucracy more slothful and unmanageable than the smaller bureaucracies it swallowed up.

Don't think I don't support the Bush administration. I do. Just imagine what another Democrat president would try to do with Homeland Security, much less the courts, the tax system, and the budget. This is a high stakes game that the elites are playing.
481 posted on 09/05/2005 4:22:22 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: doug from upland

I too find Michael Chertoff's denial of any knowledge of conditions in the Superdome very unconvincing. Everyone else in America knew it, what world is he living in? It's particularly off-putting when he sat there and denied any knowledge to Chris Wallace as though he were denying that he knew about an unpaid parking ticket. I think if the DHS truly did not have that information (very doubtful), it must be because they didn't want it. As it was, he came across at best as a bloodless bureaucrat who was covering his arse.

None of this excuses the Major or the Governor in any way, they are culpable of homicidal bungling and worse. That doesn't change the fact that the Dir of Homeland Security looks to be sidestepping any responsibility for action in a national disaster and it makes the whole administration look bad.


482 posted on 09/05/2005 4:22:56 PM PDT by JustaCowgirl (The left thinks the Cm in Chief should step aside and let Cindy Sheehan make foreign policy for us.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I had heard a report (don't recall from where as I have been channel surfing all weeking for bits and pieces, but probably have it recorded) that it was being opened to out-bound traffic only and had video of police blocking incoming on-ramps.


483 posted on 09/05/2005 4:26:33 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: Howlin
Doesn't DHS or FEMA have access to CNN or Fox?

For what?

I guess the FEDS are supposed to make life and death decisions based on MSM reports now, huh. I would assume Chertoff and Brown would not have been sitting around eating potato chips watching CNN.

Some people live in fantasyland.

484 posted on 09/05/2005 4:28:39 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: dfwgator

>If we could get this excerpt, that would be the smoking gun.<


It was "televised" or whatever you would call it, on a web link from Free Republic. Is there a way to capture streaming video? I was just struck by how depressed Nagin sounded, like he knew a lot of people would be killed, and he was powerless to help.

Little did I realize how far out of his league he was a week ago.


485 posted on 09/05/2005 4:28:52 PM PDT by Darnright ( Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before)
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To: sweetliberty
"Pardon my cynicism..."

No need too,I share it.

I just don't believe the truth can be hidden forever.Of course that's the optimist in me!

I'm rooting for the optimist!;)

486 posted on 09/05/2005 4:33:13 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Liberals are like blisters,they always show up after the hard work is done)
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To: PhiKapMom

Let's hope those sorts of facts come out pretty soon. The Republicans are going to have to figure out that the 2006 and 2008 campaign season begins as soon as the press/Democrats smell blood. Bush and Co. should already know what they need to do.


487 posted on 09/05/2005 4:36:36 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: smoothsailing

I don't think the federal government is to blame. Hell, they have done a great job. But, I knew there was a problem by Thursday. If this is true, it is a BS answer from Homeland Security!


488 posted on 09/05/2005 4:48:00 PM PDT by NavyCaptain
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To: Snidely Whiplash

Your link shows me requests for money, loans, crisis counseling, debris removal, etc. You will have to point out to me where she says she can't evacuate thousands, can't feed or secure the thousands that went to centers and couldn't keep civil order.


489 posted on 09/05/2005 4:55:50 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Arkie2

The AP just reported that the Govenor STILL has not handed over control of the National Guard to the Feds. So, just because the Feds see something on tv, doesn't mean they can disregard the laws that are in place. Posse Comitatus for example prevents law enforcement actions to be performed by the federal military. And control over various agencies must be approved by the state. Blanco would not yield control to the feds and the feds had to legally work around that. That takes time.


491 posted on 09/05/2005 5:14:01 PM PDT by hags
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To: righttackle44
"Doesn't DHS or FEMA have access to CNN or Fox?"

Should they do their jobs, or should be watching TV news?

Exactly right. In fact with the horrible performance of the MSM during this disaster, I think it should be a REQUIREMENT that no one at FEMA watches any MSM outlets during a natural disaster. Imagine if they were watching Monday night when the Shrimp said 'Looks Like New Orleans has Dodged a Bullet'. In the first few days the MSM was at least 24 hours behind freerepublic in just reporting what was going on. Then when they finally got caught up, in the past few days, all the talking heads were strangely reading reports that were off by a day or two. To paraphrase for example 'People have been stuck here for 6 days' when it was actually just 5 days at the time.

492 posted on 09/05/2005 5:37:09 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: hags
Posse Comitatus for example prevents law enforcement actions to be performed by the federal military.

Which is why We the People need to maintain a well armed and regulated militia. Gee, perhaps we can modify the constitution and put something like that in it.

493 posted on 09/05/2005 5:41:21 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: dr_who_2

Relax. I spoke with a family member today who is very liberal and before I could speak on the subject, she told me that the mayor did not get the people out in time, there were buses in the flooding, there was no plan at all, and the governor was no better. Coming from her, this is a sign of hope in America. People get it. Even liberal folks.


494 posted on 09/05/2005 5:45:32 PM PDT by maxter
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To: Arkie2

To be honest with you, I didn't know until Thursday or Friday that there were people in the convention center and I have had my TV on 24/7 for over a week. All I ever heard was the Superdome. Maybe I didn't hear it because I got so disgusted with hearing the complaints and blame games. All I know is that I didn't know about the convention center until Geraldo reported it at the end of the week.


495 posted on 09/05/2005 5:48:37 PM PDT by GOP-Pat
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To: PISANO
I guess the FEDS are supposed to make life and death decisions based on MSM reports now, huh. I would assume Chertoff and Brown would not have been sitting around eating potato chips watching CNN.

It's been stated in the past that staffers sit in the basement of the White House and monitor Free Republic...I don't know if it is staffers or if it's even at the White House...But you can rest assured that gov't agents of one stripe or another monitor FR as well as numerous other political web sites...

Having said that, it would be total and complete foolishness if Chertoff did not have someone monitoring news reports...And we well know that our gov't monitors news broadcasts and publications in the Mideast and beyond...

I think the foolishness is to assume Homeland Security does not monitor Fox, Cnn, etc...I surely would...

496 posted on 09/05/2005 5:51:37 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: NavyCaptain
I think you've got it right,I don't blame the Feds either.

Chertoff should have been more media savvy,IMO.He was more than likely being honest.

In todays political climate,he should have been more careful in his statement.Newt made the same mistake when he said NO should be bulldozed.

It's a sad reality.

497 posted on 09/05/2005 6:33:17 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Liberals are like blisters,they always show up after the hard work is done)
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To: smoothsailing




"Mr. Chertoff said neither he nor Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown was told of the deteriorating situation in New Orleans until Thursday night."

This is unacceptable.


498 posted on 09/05/2005 6:48:18 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: RobbyS

"The situation was like a war, and there is such a thing as the fog of war. Only in restrospect can we penetrate it,"

Unless you were on FR


499 posted on 09/05/2005 6:53:02 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
"This is unacceptable"

Yep.

I'm glad you cleared that up! ;)

500 posted on 09/05/2005 7:02:56 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Liberals are like blisters,they always show up after the hard work is done)
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