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Top federal officials left out of loop (Well wha-da-ya know)
The Washington Times ^ | 09-05-05 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 09/04/2005 11:39:17 PM PDT by smoothsailing

State and local officials did not inform top federal officials early on of the deaths and lack of food among hurricane victims in the Superdome or convention center, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday.

Mr. Chertoff said neither he nor Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown was told of the deteriorating situation in New Orleans until Thursday night.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: blanco; brown; cary; chertoff; dhs; disaster; fema; flood; homelandsecurity; hurricane; hurricanekatrina; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; landrieu; levee; louisiana; militia; nagin; nationalguard; neworleans; superdome
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To: LPM1888
"Even if the local government manages to load all of those without cars into buses they will stuck in traffic jams."

No one died while in the traffic jams headed out of town. The state had closed all inbound traffic lanes to New Orleans and was for out-bound traffic, but didn't use them.

381 posted on 09/05/2005 11:56:17 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: RasterMaster
FEMA isn't delivering pizza, they are disaster relief! They can't get to flooded areas in 30-minutes-or-less. It's up to the state to coordinate all the pieces, yet why were no state troopers in the area to help prior to the storm? So I guess you don't know as much about it as you claim.

They certainly should be able to get to the location in 24 hours or less. Chertoff and Brown are highly paid to be responsible for our national crisis management. Why didn't they do their jobs?

WHY HAVEN'T CHERTOFF AND BROWN BEEN FIRED???

Negligence of duty is sufficient cause.

Lt. General Honore knows how to get the job done and he doesn't have to make up lies to cover his incompetence. He should replace Chertoff as soon as he is finished cleaning up Chertoff and Browns mess.

382 posted on 09/05/2005 11:56:33 AM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: cyncooper
Bush August 28th: Hurricane Katrina is now designated a category five hurricane. We cannot stress enough the danger this hurricane poses to Gulf Coast communities. I urge all citizens to put their own safety and the safety of their families first by moving to safe ground. Please listen carefully to instructions provided by state and local officials.

Well, heck... It IS Bush's fault after all. He should have said:

"Please don't listen to your local elected and appointed Morons who can't tell the difference between a bus and a building. You'll be better off if you steal a school bus and head to Houston like that kid is gonna do!"

383 posted on 09/05/2005 11:59:34 AM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation." (CNN))
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To: LPM1888

Excuse me....you mean Nagin and Blanco's mess.


384 posted on 09/05/2005 12:02:31 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: MediaMole
Politicians are always a questionable source of information.

And the media is not? Thanks for the laugh! :)

susie
385 posted on 09/05/2005 12:02:31 PM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: Nam Vet

LEADER

LOSER
>

LOSER

Those who can, do.

Those who can't do, teach.

Those who can't do or teach, get elected as Democrats by fools who don't know the difference.

386 posted on 09/05/2005 12:02:39 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: RasterMaster
No I had it right, its definitely Chertoff and Browns mess. If they had done their job the situation would not have been nearly as severe.

If you get a chance to watch a replay of Chertoff's press conference along with General Honore on CNN be sure to watch. Pay special attention to the very end. You will see Honore make it obvious of his opinion of Chertoff's excuses.

387 posted on 09/05/2005 12:13:32 PM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: brytlea

Nope. I'm suggesting that, like the military headquarters I've worked at, they keep CNN and FOX etc on in the background. TV crews frequently provide good intel on the ground. Anyone ignoring that asset doesn't know what he's doing.


388 posted on 09/05/2005 12:19:19 PM PDT by Arkie2 (Mega super duper moose, whine, cheese, series, zot, viking kitties, barf alert!)
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To: LPM1888
From experience I can tell you what happens.

Experience in what? Surely it's not experience in disaster planning, is it?


1. Everyone who has a car rushes to gas stations to fuel up their cars. Within 12 to 18 hours all gas stations run out of fuel.

The general public uses gas stations. State and local governments have prearranged plans to circumvent that little problem. Well, most of them do, but apparently not NOLA.


2. Everyone rushes to grocery stores for supplies. Shelves are empty within 4 hours. Many are unable to obtain food or water.

That's why designated shelters have already made other arrangements. Well, most of them have, but apparently not NOLA.


3. Everyone with cars locates their families and then gets on the highways headed out of town. The highways are jammed within 2 hours........4. Even if the local government manages to load all of those without cars into buses they will stuck in traffic jams. ...... 5. People who are stuck in their cars in traffic jams when the storm hits are at much higher risk of death and injury than those in homes or shelters.

Do you know the definition of contraflow? Did you see anyone stuck in their cars when the storm hit? Are you always this negative?


That is why you can't evacuate a large metropolitan area.

And this is why we can all thank our lucky stars you're not in charge of a Disaster Plan. Or are you?

Ray Nagin? Is that you?!

390 posted on 09/05/2005 12:25:13 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation." (CNN))
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To: Diddle E. Squat
[ The conditions were horrid and horrible. The stench was unbearable. ]

Must've smelt like Port Au' Prince, Haiti in there..
Vacationers take Haiti OFF your list.. Ewwweeee...

391 posted on 09/05/2005 12:28:59 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Stephens said he survived off of MREs and water, and that he lost weight.

He was in the SD and he had food and water. By the way the news people acted you would think people were starving. If they had food and water they should have been able to clean up their trash and at least make a special areas for human waste directly away from the people. If they had food and water they should have been able to have existed for a few days. Survive, not in good conditions, but survive.

This was a horrific, mega disaster. I would have been glad to have gotten out of it with my life. People think the US government has a big magic wand that they can wave over any situation and all is well. The mentality of the American people is that it is the government's responsibility to take care of me and if the government doesn't do it fast enough and to my liking I get angry. It was the gangs that caused the problems. People should be mad at that filth! What I don't understand is why wasn't there enough law and order in the dome. Enough National Guard and police should have been left in there so that they could keep law and order. Supposedly everyone was checked for weapons before they went in. Were they checked for drugs and alcohol too?

392 posted on 09/05/2005 12:29:01 PM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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To: claudiustg; benjibrowder
That wasn't my quote, by the way.

Oops, my bad. I knew that. I meant to ping benjibrowder also.

393 posted on 09/05/2005 12:35:12 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation." (CNN))
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To: NCLaw441

They don't necessarily have to credit every report they see as accurate to recognize the news teams may be on to something and send a team to check it out. Presumably they had small teams of officials deployed throughout the area (boots on the ground) to look into problems.

Why were't they checking it out? I don't know but the excuse that the state authorities didn't tell them rings hollow to me.


394 posted on 09/05/2005 12:35:22 PM PDT by Arkie2 (Mega super duper moose, whine, cheese, series, zot, viking kitties, barf alert!)
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To: omronnie; Travis McGee
I have sent that montage around to friends, relatives and some media outlets. I have also included this documentation from Travis Mcgee.

Travis McGee in an earlier reply to another thread has provided the coffin and wooden stake to handle the soon to be former mayor of N O's.

"I hope that sooner or later the MSM discovers that New Orleans did have a written emergency plan to cover the evacuation of the poor, but that the idiot mayor of New Orleans ignored it, and allowed the evacuation buses to be ruined by the flood, forgotten."

The city leaders had at least two full days to use these hundreds of buses to evac the poor, exactly as their own emergency management plan called for.

Here's the southeast Louisiana evac plan supplement, most recently revised in 2000. Go to page 13, read paragraph 5. It states: 5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.


48 posted on 09/04/2005 9:13:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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395 posted on 09/05/2005 12:36:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: LPM1888
ROFL...you just don't get it. If the STATE officials had done their job, we wouldn't be plucking so many able bodied citizens off rooftops! If you were born with two legs and hands and a brain, then take responsibility and evacuate...at least out of the city. The Superdome was only to be used for those too aged or unable to escape.

It wasn't Chertoff or Brown who Honore was referring to...it was the INCOMPETENT state officials who have been on every talk show this morning and the whole weekend rather than taking RESPONSIBILITY for their job.

396 posted on 09/05/2005 12:37:07 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: AllAreOne
Here's another little FACT for you....cipro is an anti-biotic that is USED in all sorts of bacterial situations...ESPECIALLY and including respiratory (pulmonary) infections and is NOT JUST FOR ANTRAX. geeeeez.

SHE DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY but DID NOT ASK FOR FEDERAL ASSISTANCE. PERIOD.

You HAVE to ask for that.....it is the LAW. Posse Commitatus ( sp-? )...ALL NATURAL DISASTERS ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LOCAL AND STATE AUTHORITIES>................FEMA IS THERE TO ASSIST!

Blanco DID NOT REQUEST FEDERAL ASSISTANCE.

In fact the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES had to play DADDY to her and request (because he cannot DEMAND) that she instigate MANDATORY EVACUATION.

Only the GOVERNOR OF ANY STATE CAN ORDER THIS.

GET IT?

397 posted on 09/05/2005 12:37:11 PM PDT by Republic (Michael Schiavo comes to mind...ulitimate control is never relinquished with ease)
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To: FreeReign
Chertoff, fielding questions from reporters, said government officials did not expect both a powerful hurricane and a breach of levees that would flood the city of New Orleans.

"That 'perfect storm' of a combination of catastrophes exceeded the foresight of the planners, and maybe anybody's foresight," Chertoff said.

He called the disaster "breathtaking in its surprise."

But engineers say the levees preventing this below-sea-level city from being turned into a swamp were built to withstand only Category 3 hurricanes. And officials have warned for years that a Category 4 could cause the levees to fail.

Katrina was a Category 4 hurricane when it struck the Gulf Coast on August 29.

Chertoff has been less than skillful in handling questions from the press and his performance on MTP was dismal. His less than forceful image and seeming lack of command of the facts do not inspire confidence. Whatever the reason, his failure to act on quelling the looters and chaos at the convention center and Superdome until Friday undermined the huge relief effort, which has been remarkable. The USG has been doing a fantastic job, but the public perception is that it was a day late and a dollar short.

398 posted on 09/05/2005 12:37:18 PM PDT by kabar
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To: rmgatto

I trust that the news teams on the ground can be used to good benefit if the authorities know how to do it. Obviously they didn't in this instance. Thanks for the free evaluation of my critical thinking. I appreciate your concern for my critical faculties.


399 posted on 09/05/2005 12:38:20 PM PDT by Arkie2 (Mega super duper moose, whine, cheese, series, zot, viking kitties, barf alert!)
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To: Dave S
Madison WI, from my understanding, is taking a hundred families in. This is the clincher though, they are putting them up in the very worst part of town, the Allied Drive area. It's like the ghetto of Madison. Real big of them.
400 posted on 09/05/2005 12:39:00 PM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is Coming!)
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