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Replacement Pumps Don't Exist
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 3, 2005 | Peter Pae

Posted on 09/03/2005 6:36:23 PM PDT by A. Pole

Efforts to drain New Orleans hit another snag Friday as the Army Corps of Engineers discovered that it could not buy new pumps to replace those damaged by the flooding.

Massive pumps capable of draining the city like those that have been keeping New Orleans dry for decades are no longer made and would have to be specially ordered, a process that would take too long, said Col. Richard Wagenaar, the senior corps official in New Orleans.

Instead, repair crews will have to dry out the existing pumps, which could take up to a week, before repairing them with replacement motors and parts and begin pumping water back into Lake Pontchartrain. The repair job could prolong efforts to drain the city, about 80% of which is submerged.

"These pumps are so big, you can't buy them off the shelf. You have to make them, and we don't have time for that," said Wagenaar, who spent about an hour Friday escorting President Bush around the levee damage at the 17th Street Canal.

The city, much of which is below sea level, relies on a network of 22 pumps to keep water out. Army engineers now believe eight pumps are underwater.

The latest wrinkle illustrated the enormous complexity of draining the city, which for more than 200 years had gradually built up an elaborate system to keep itself dry.

Even with the setback, Wagenaar said, the city could be drained in three to six months, mainly because engineers may finally be able to get to the largest pump station, at the end of the 17th Street Canal, as early as today.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: cafta; corpsofengineers; free; hurricane; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; market; nafta; neworleans; outsourcing; trade
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1 posted on 09/03/2005 6:36:29 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
Massive pumps capable of draining the city like those that have been keeping New Orleans dry for decades are no longer made

Another buggy whip industry gone!

2 posted on 09/03/2005 6:37:29 PM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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RE: Massive pumps capable of draining the city like those that have been keeping New Orleans dry for decades are no longer made and would have to be specially ordered)))

Just damn. What do mayors of NO do...?! Ride the Bacchus crewe at Mardi Gras, I guess...

3 posted on 09/03/2005 6:39:17 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: A. Pole

Another example by the great local planning in New Orleans.


4 posted on 09/03/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: A. Pole

don't believe it. there are some pretty big pumps around. anyway, the submerged pumps are probably fine -- it's the powerplants that are shot. and there are plenty of big powerplants around.


5 posted on 09/03/2005 6:39:39 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (we don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: Mamzelle

Another thing to blame on President Bush....NOT!!!!!


6 posted on 09/03/2005 6:39:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: A. Pole

interesting thread. Geraldo was just on FNC with the army corps guy - they are fabricating portable pumps at a foundary someplace near NO. but of the main city pumps, the Corps claims all but one work.


7 posted on 09/03/2005 6:40:01 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: A. Pole

Get those lazy good for nothing people that sit on there ass all day and collect welfare money from taxpayers and form a bucket birgade


8 posted on 09/03/2005 6:40:44 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the beeber)
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To: A. Pole
I dunno about this. Lots of industries use large pumps . . .

Supposedly Gov. Edwards bought replacement pumps but they were never installed and are in a warehouse somewhere, because one of his cronies was billing the city for storage costs . . .

9 posted on 09/03/2005 6:41:16 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: the invisib1e hand

yes, but they have to get huge diesel generators out to the pumping stations.


10 posted on 09/03/2005 6:41:21 PM PDT by oceanview
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Funny.. there are hundreds of pit mine pumps of similar volume capacity available in storage from former mining operations all over the rockies.
11 posted on 09/03/2005 6:41:30 PM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: A. Pole

that sucks.


12 posted on 09/03/2005 6:41:59 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: AnAmericanMother

these could be the pumps Geraldo was talking about.


13 posted on 09/03/2005 6:42:08 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: A. Pole

CROCK!!! There might not be direct replacement pumps, but there are lots of other "pumping means" available. In one (much smaller) flooding crisis, the Corps of Engineers even went so far as to call out (rent) the heavy tractors of farmers, and hook them up to portable pumps. I know it happened, as I watched it go on.


14 posted on 09/03/2005 6:42:22 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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Screw it just change the name from New Orleans to New Atlantis and be done with it


15 posted on 09/03/2005 6:43:32 PM PDT by tophat9000
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All they have to do is contact one of the Big Six natural gas pipelines, offer a contract, and they might have their pumps on line in about 3 days. (They might even do for free to get their own logistics networks up and running. Might even end up with Solarz turbines. If the fittings don't exist, call their contacts in the steel industry and tooling concerns in Houston and Pennsylvania. Even quicker ways of doing this now there's industrial automation, but those are the industries past tooled up to get these things done.

For all those investment bankers who don't think it's important for corporate leadership to have had any hands-on experience in building the infrastructure companies, this is a prime example of why corporate raiding has destroyed a sizable amount of US robustness in industry.


16 posted on 09/03/2005 6:43:42 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: al baby

You know, a million Chinese would probably have this part of the problem over with in a couple, three days.


17 posted on 09/03/2005 6:44:07 PM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees, clear, frost and birdshot, Fairbanks)
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To: Wonder Warthog

do you realize the capacity needed here, to empty this many acres?


18 posted on 09/03/2005 6:44:47 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: A. Pole
Well there are several solutions to this problem. First every fire truck has pumping abilities. All they need is a drafting nozzle and regular hose to send the water over the wall into the lake.

Secondly we have at least two pump manufactures in our the Central Valley of California that could provide pumps that could be set up as temporary pumps. These may not work as efficiently as those huge pumps, but anything is better than nothing at this point.
19 posted on 09/03/2005 6:46:19 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Freedom isn't free)
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To: xcamel

I wonder if they've searched Ritchie Bros.


20 posted on 09/03/2005 6:46:34 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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