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Bulldoze New Orleans
My fertile mind ^ | 9/2/05 | rebelbase

Posted on 09/03/2005 1:44:14 PM PDT by Rebelbase

Rebuilding New Orleans below sea level is just asking for another disaster even if the levee's are strengthened.

Bulldoze the city except for the downtown and French Quarter and fill it in with spoils from Lake Ponchartrain. The lake is very shallow and could supply the material necessary to fill in the city.

This city is too important to national commerce to just abandon.



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To: SedVictaCatoni
Everything economically/politically important about New Orleans (the seat of the Fifth Circuit, the Federal Reserve Bank, etc.) should simply be moved to Baton Rouge, which now appears likely to become the region's new metropolis anyway.

Disagree about the Fifth Circuit. That should be moved to Houston together with the Reserve Bank.

41 posted on 09/03/2005 2:27:28 PM PDT by Siobhan (Pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.)
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To: AntiGuv

Six inches every 20 years into the abyss. Eventually, the Corps of Engineers will have to move the port to BR.


42 posted on 09/03/2005 2:28:24 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Quix

You thinks wrong. Even a 9.0 quake at New Madrid will barely get felt in New Orleans.


43 posted on 09/03/2005 2:30:04 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick)
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To: Torie; AntiGuv
I'm patrial to this one myself.


44 posted on 09/03/2005 2:30:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: AntiGuv

You mean drive in the dirt and compact it, and create a plateau? That is interesting, and was done with part of a peninsula near Oakland airport, where my brother lives. But they had to wait 15 years to build, because even with compaction, it takes some time for subsidence to subside. The planted trees however at the beginning of the 15 year wait, so they were nice and mature when building started. How clever. Maybe with new technologies, one does not have to wait.


45 posted on 09/03/2005 2:31:40 PM PDT by Torie
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To: jwalsh07

Nice colors.


46 posted on 09/03/2005 2:32:16 PM PDT by Torie
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To: lormand

"How about draining Lake Pontchartrain into the Gulf, thus making New Orleans only vulnerable from the Mississippi levies, which has already been proven to withstand Katrina."

Or building a levee on the lake shore as big, or bigger, than the Mississpi levee. It will be an eyesore, and block view of the lake, but would withstand much more than the rickety and fragile system now.


47 posted on 09/03/2005 2:34:57 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Rebelbase
Rebuilding below sea-level is a massive waste of taxpayers dollars. It's like trying to protect comemerical and private buildings on barrier islands. Nature's going to win that tug of war. If anyone wants to do anything that silly, they're on their own (no services).

Similarly, whatever possessed the people of Mississippi to force casinos to be afloat on a hurricane-prone coast?

48 posted on 09/03/2005 2:35:40 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: Rebelbase

The lefty looney Scientific American ressurected these from years ago...

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0002F651-768F-1314-AE7183414B7F0122
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0001A913-EAE9-1315-AAE983414B7F0100

Build New New Orleans - somewhere else.


49 posted on 09/03/2005 2:36:41 PM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: kcar

"Similarly, whatever possessed the people of Mississippi to force casinos to be afloat on a hurricane-prone coast?"

$$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$


50 posted on 09/03/2005 2:36:53 PM PDT by Rebelbase ("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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To: AntiGuv

UHHHHH, I think the prediction of the Great Lakes sloshing like a very overfilled bathtub and pouring down the Mississippi valley to the gulf and forevermore emptying into the gulf

IS AN ACCURATE PREDICTION as near as I can sense such things.

I FIRMLY BELIEVE I WILL LIVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN--if the news will show such and I believe it will at least in some areas or on the net somehow.

I do not think that New Orleans would survive such a massive flood. And, if the quake is 10.X as some have alluded to . . . what do you think then?


51 posted on 09/03/2005 2:38:04 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: Siobhan

I rather agree about Houston. But I believe it is going to take some sort of massive terrorist hit. Don't know what kind or how devastating but plenty.


52 posted on 09/03/2005 2:39:15 PM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: Rebelbase

Bulldoze the city except for the downtown and French Quarter and fill it in with spoils from Lake Ponchartrain. The lake is very shallow and could supply the material necessary to fill in the city.



Shades of Galveston TX after the Sept. 8, 1900 hurricane that killed some 8,000 and leveled that city.


53 posted on 09/03/2005 2:40:34 PM PDT by deport (If you want something bad enough, there's someone who will sell it to you. Even the truth your way.)
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To: Torie; jwalsh07
Thanks for the maps! I am a certified map junkie. =)

You mean drive in the dirt and compact it, and create a plateau? That is interesting, and was done with part of a peninsula near Oakland airport, where my brother lives. But they had to wait 15 years to build, because even with compaction, it takes some time for subsidence to subside. The planted trees however at the beginning of the 15 year wait, so they were nice and mature when building started. How clever. Maybe with new technologies, one does not have to wait.

Yes, that's basically what I have in mind. What I'm saying is that there is exceedingly little reason to rush to rebuild the slums, which covered a considerable portion of the low lying areas. They can get the valuable parts of the city up and running within 6 months to a year easily. The rest can be carefully reengineered to end the flood threat at anywhere near this magnitude.

We have the capability to build in the ocean shallows now if we want. It's being done in Holland, Japan, Hong Kong, and to a smaller scale in other places. We should seize the moment and turn this tragedy into an opportunity to rebuild New Orleans the way it would be if it were just built today, and today we could build it in a way to withstand hurricanes just as well as any other city on the Gulf (keep in mind that the entire northern Gulf coast is subsiding, not just New Orleans).

Get the Port and the riverside stretch from Uptown to Bywater up and running. The poor, huddled masses will end up resettling in Houston and elsewhere regardless (just wait, most won't go back). The surrounding parishes have more than enough of labor base to support the remnant of New Orleans, and much of the area that's flooded wasn't contributing much anyhow (except to welfare rolls..) Then raise the marshes to 5 feet above sea level, and then raise the riverside as well in sections (jack up the buildings, etc).

If that were done, it'd be 1000 years or more before the city might again be in the state it is today.

54 posted on 09/03/2005 2:42:40 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick)
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To: Rebelbase

55 posted on 09/03/2005 2:44:02 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Rebelbase

Flood it as a merge with Ponchartrain, then set up access from this nice waterway into the Might Miss. from the French Quarter.

Next, go industrial only with whatever high ground is left. Forget the low lying areas and move all residential north of the new improved industrial area.


56 posted on 09/03/2005 2:44:58 PM PDT by cowdog77
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To: Quix
UHHHHH, I think the prediction of the Great Lakes sloshing like a very overfilled bathtub and pouring down the Mississippi valley to the gulf and forevermore emptying into the gulf

That prediction is the most ridiculous, ignorant, outright lunatic prediction I've ever seen, and I've seen some doozies.

IS AN ACCURATE PREDICTION as near as I can sense such things.

You need help.

I FIRMLY BELIEVE I WILL LIVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN--if the news will show such and I believe it will at least in some areas or on the net somehow.

Immediately.

I do not think that New Orleans would survive such a massive flood. And, if the quake is 10.X as some have alluded to . . . what do you think then?

New Orleans would survive a 10.0 magnitude quake at New Madrid with relatively minimal damage (Memphis & St Louis would be rubble). You still need help.

57 posted on 09/03/2005 2:46:05 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick)
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To: AntiGuv

Hong Kong, Holland, Japan etc don't get cat 4 and 5 hurricanes (well maybe Hong Kong does, I don't know), and Japan and Hong Kong are not under sea level, and there is a direct line to higher ground. NO would still be an island.


58 posted on 09/03/2005 2:46:52 PM PDT by Torie
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To: cowdog77

The flooded structures are perfect fish habitat. Enterpising businessman could offer underwater guided tours!


59 posted on 09/03/2005 2:47:12 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Quix
Perhaps I spoke to soon then. Austin, Texas might be the best place for Fifth Circuit and the Reserve Bank.

On a different subject, I would move the Center for Disease Control out of Atlanta immediately to a safer more remote location.

60 posted on 09/03/2005 2:47:34 PM PDT by Siobhan (Pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.)
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