Posted on 09/02/2005 10:38:53 PM PDT by nickcarraway
ntel fired back at rival Advanced Micro Devices on Thursday in a legal response to AMD's lawsuit, denying it has violated antitrust laws.
The 63-page response said AMD has fallen behind Intel because of its own business mistakes, not because Intel engaged in any antitrust activity. In the long run, Intel said, AMD's lawsuit will raise prices for consumers.
Intel, based in Santa Clara, is the world's largest maker of semiconductor chips. AMD, a smaller rival based in Sunnyvale, filed suit in federal court in June contending Intel violated antitrust laws by using a combination of incentives and threats to unfairly lock customers into buying only Intel chips.
Intel alleged in its legal response that AMD is using antitrust laws to shield itself from competition and its own failure to invest in manufacturing and innovative products. The response is the most direct criticism of AMD's business that Intel has offered since it called AMD the ``Milli Vanilli of semiconductors'' in the early 1990s.
``AMD's attempt to limit Intel's ability to discount prices would only serve to raise prices,'' the response said.
A lawyer for AMD on Thursday cited an investigation by Japanese antitrust regulators as proof of Intel's alleged monopolistic behavior.
``You don't have to take AMD's word for it with respect to the credibility of our contentions,'' said Tom McCoy, general counsel at AMD. ``Look at the decision by the Japan Fair Trade Commission, aggressive enforcement actions in Europe and an investigation by the Korea anti-monopoly agency. There's a reason why there is a global focus on Intel's abusive monopolistic behavior.''
In its legal response, Intel disputed the facts behind the Japanese ruling, though it did not fight the remedy recommended by the trade panel.
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Dear Intel,
Competition is never bad for the consumer. Your prices are down only because of AMD. Your behind in the CPU game right now and you know it, if it wasnt for your strangle hold on HP and Dell you wouldnt control the market like you do today. AMD right now is making a far better product. Keep putting out products like the press-hott core or "hyper-threading"(which you never told the consumer they needed xp pro to use) and you will be a product of yesterday.
Dear Intel,
Competition is never bad for the consumer. Your prices are down only because of AMD. Your behind in the CPU game right now and you know it, if it wasnt for your strangle hold on HP and Dell you wouldnt control the market like you do today. AMD right now is making a far better product. Keep putting out products like the press-hott core or "hyper-threading"(which you never told the consumer they needed xp pro to use) and you will be a product of yesterday.
Your argument backs up Intel's position.
maybe, but they wont admit they have been putting out some terrible desktop products.
You're dead on: Intel sucks right now, and they've been sucking for a while.
Thankfully, that sucking looks like it'll stop in 2006, starting with Yonah. Hopefully Intel will make up for the Pentium-M's deficiencies with that particular chip. (No Hyperthreading, no SSE3. HT might be an XP Pro-only tech, but I happen to run XP Pro, and I'll take any boost I can get.)
Microsoft may have upgraded then, because when hyperthreading was first being used it wasnt being recognized properly.
Yea right! Go to tomshardware.com and check out the CPU comparison charts.>>
I check toms everyday, and only in small areas does intels most powerful processors beat amd's, and they have more mhz pushing there processors. Intels dual cores whimper in the corner compared to AMD's, and intels em64t instruction set isnt fully 64 bit, and its also technology on loan from AMD.
Hyperthreading works just fine on Windows 2000. And as for hott... well looks like Intel has almost caught up with AMD as far as heat goes. Now they need to design their processors to melt when removing the heat sink instead of just slowing down the clock.>>
Prescott cores had very huge heat dissipation problems, and AMD never came close to it. AMDs hottest processor was the TBird core and it was 95 watt, compared to Intels of 110.
And Windows 2000 has built in multi-core support.
oh I forgot to add that amd created a little technology called cool and quiet. I bring this up because you said this "Now they need to design their processors to melt when removing the heat sink instead of just slowing down the clock."(its been out for quite awhile now.
" Yea right! Go to tomshardware.com and check out the CPU comparison charts."
Sorry, if you didn't know, tom is known elsewhere on the web on many hardware websites as an intel fanboy. His results in head to head competition apparently can't be trusted, since they don't jibe with other sites.
For good general information, I prefer anandtech
Success itself is no violation of the antitrust laws.
Agreed, Tom is an Intel shrill. Best to get CPU comparisons elsewhere.
The issue isn't Intel's success. Go read AMD's filed complaint. It's only a few pages, and written in plainspeak for the most part.
I just got a compaq r4000 with an AMD 3500+ cpu.
I love it except I have found out that it is a newcastle instead of a venice. I'm wondering if this is a big enough issue to send it back.
One other crazy thing HP did to this thing was to design a MB that does not support DC memory. Yeah, that's right.. 939 socket and no DC support. If they did it for cooling reasons or even power consumption (as it is a laptop), they should have had a BIOS flip that allowed for DC mode operation when hooked to wall power.
Still a great laptop though..
All I know is that every computer I've built has been with an AMD processor. Let's see, better performance at a lower price than Intel? Not too hard of a choice for me.
Unless they combined with another company and cooperated to fix prices, it isn't antitrust. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the definition of the term bandied about by the economically illiterate. Taking advantage of your business opportunities doesn't meet the criteria.
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