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WSJ: The Battle of New Orleans - Even in America, civil order is more fragile than we think.
Wall Street Journal ^ | September 2, 2005 | Editorial

Posted on 09/02/2005 5:23:21 AM PDT by OESY

...Of all the bad news from New Orleans, the most disturbing has been the reports of spreading disorder, with looting, marauding gangs and even sniper fire at helicopters and rescue workers. Americans sometimes expect their government to do far too much....

One reason for the New Orleans breakdown is the size of the calamity, whose growing severity caught nearly everyone by surprise. Louisiana National Guard troops that were deployed initially for rescue and relief efforts weren't available for the more basic duties of public security. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is also geared to providing relief, not order, and only yesterday did the federal government begin to focus on the potential anarchy. Among our political leaders, only Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour seemed to appreciate the genuine risk of disorder, with his early warnings that looters would not be given the benefit of the doubt.

By the way, the allegation that enough National Guard troops aren't available because many are deployed in Iraq doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The Louisiana Guard has something like 3,500 men and women deployed in Iraq, but that leaves another 8,000 or so troops available for post-Katrina duty, and neighboring states undamaged by the hurricane have still others who could be called upon. All told, the Pentagon now estimates that 30,000 National Guard troops will be deployed along the Gulf coast, and another 3,000 regular Army soldiers to pursue the armed gangs on the loose. Our advice is: Do whatever it takes.

One frequent reaction...: New Orleans is typical of Third World countries, something that was thought could never happen in America. This happens to overlook a fair chunk of U.S. history... including riots and violence. But it is also a sign of complacency born of prosperity and the resilience of our legal and civic institutions....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: anarchy; barbour; hurricane; katrina; looters; neworleans
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To: Gunflint
Yes, but the sniping, and violent rapes, and crack usage, are exaggerated

Yesterday the governor was saying that all is OK at the superdome and there were no shootings in the superdome. She did not mention the murders and rapes that were allegedly taking place at the superdome, as described by a doctor who said he had to leave the superdome for fear of his own safety (per Fox News last night). The doctor described the lack of communication and command control as the problem.

61 posted on 09/02/2005 6:27:49 AM PDT by rit
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To: isthisnickcool

is your friend saying NO is run by "girly men"

PC out of control.


62 posted on 09/02/2005 6:27:55 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: rit

That is a good bit of it. But the prevailing decadent culture and large poor black populations are also major contributors


63 posted on 09/02/2005 6:29:27 AM PDT by stm
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To: over3Owithabrain

I shudder to think on what would happen if something like this hit Philly. The Badlands would EXPLODE.


64 posted on 09/02/2005 6:29:51 AM PDT by Malacoda (*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*)
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To: longtermmemmory

You forgot ---- firearm.

Ammo alone is not enough.


65 posted on 09/02/2005 6:30:44 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Malacoda
I shudder to think on what would happen if something like this hit Philly.

The President just alluded to this in his 9am speech. He said the relief efforts were insufficient.

That is mostly directed at FEMA, which has plans in place to handle a major attack on a US city.

Perhaps we will be better prepared should terrorists strike in the future and count our blessings that they have not done so yet.

66 posted on 09/02/2005 6:33:18 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: THEUPMAN

"Finnaly someone with some productive ideas."

Another...use Michael Moore's fat behind to close the leavy break.


67 posted on 09/02/2005 6:36:11 AM PDT by takbodan (AP Help)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Which is why (much to my Lib in-laws' derision) we keep food and water stocked, as well as other survival-type gear.

If Philly ever exploded , thsoe thugs and monsters would loot, rape and pillage their way down the Main Line, with no resistance all along the way.

I don't trust the governement -- local, state or Federal -- to take care of me and mine.

68 posted on 09/02/2005 6:36:41 AM PDT by Malacoda (*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ! *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*)
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To: stm
That is a good bit of it. But the prevailing decadent culture and large poor black populations are also major contributors

I repectfully disagree on the culture part. NOL had crime, sure, and many parts of the city were not safe before the hurricane. But that again is attributed to lack of leadership. In the aftermath, the poor planning, lack of leadership, and lack of communication only makes this worse.

Walter Maestri, director of emergency management for Jefferson Parish, La., just outside of New Orleans, "We had a plan and we followed it (on storm coverage). Mayor Nagin and those in Jefferson believed that within 48 hours food, water and security would be here. It didn't happen."

69 posted on 09/02/2005 6:37:31 AM PDT by rit
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To: All

seems the article misses the mark.

The TRUTH is the authorities are trying to "PC" the disaster responsnce.

They are trying to share feeeeeeeelings with looters NOT stop looters. The leaders tried to USE looters to attack Bush NOT stop looters.

This is no different than shooting treason on the battlefield. It is the law. The democrats were trying to impose woodstock in a disaster area.


70 posted on 09/02/2005 6:39:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: All

This is what we have after stepping up homeland security for four years. I am not blaming the government at all though, I was never foolish enough to expect anything from them anyway.
Come away from this tragedy with the lesson of self preparedness. You really are on your own.


71 posted on 09/02/2005 6:40:33 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: All
When civil order breaks down and anarchy is the rue of the land there will only be two kinds of people. Those who are
prepared and those who prey on the prepared. What kind of people do you think the politicians will become.
72 posted on 09/02/2005 6:42:17 AM PDT by PositiveCogins
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To: SMARTY

There was plenty of looting during the Blitz, sometimes by auxilliary firemen.


73 posted on 09/02/2005 6:43:18 AM PDT by English Nationalist
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To: Malacoda
I don't trust the governement -- local, state or Federal -- to take care of me and mine.

The Supreme Court has ruled that gov't has no obligation to provide protection to you, even if you directly call for help.

74 posted on 09/02/2005 6:45:12 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: takbodan

Start with Martha's Vineyard.

.....

I vote many of the LA displaced hurricane disaster victims should be offered shelter at THE KENNEDY compound estate in Florida.
Think Ted Kennedy and his clan has any "SOLUTIONS".... nope.


75 posted on 09/02/2005 6:48:37 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Thats why they took "to protect and serve" of there cars.
Now its law enforcement for revenue purposes only.
76 posted on 09/02/2005 6:49:17 AM PDT by PositiveCogins
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To: nevergore

"Forget prison camps...summary execution on the spot..."

That's what martial law means!
However, it's hard for an American Reservist to
shoot-to-kill a fellow American.


77 posted on 09/02/2005 6:51:01 AM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: SuziQ

They wont smak anyone down .The Civil Liberties jerkoffs are probably down there already just waiting for a military person (headed by the evil Bush ) to shoot a poor black man.


78 posted on 09/02/2005 6:52:35 AM PDT by hoboken109
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To: Grendel9

Not when they're shooting at you.....

Kinda clears the mind and clarifies your thoughts...

NeverGore :^)


79 posted on 09/02/2005 6:54:12 AM PDT by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: PositiveCogins
Now its law enforcement for revenue purposes only.

If you break the speed limit --- zero tolerance.

If you break someone's neck --- let's try to understand.

80 posted on 09/02/2005 6:54:21 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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