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To: NYer

If they really wanted to slug this thing out, I think they'd have grounds on the basis that a court cannot force a person to apologize for something. To do so is to force a person to admit guilt; something anathema to our justice system.


18 posted on 09/01/2005 10:00:55 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I like your point. Can you force someone to plead guilty to something? No, it is their choice. So how can you force someone to "write a letter of apology"? If he is not sorry he tried to help Terri, how can he be Constitutionally forced to say he is?


23 posted on 09/01/2005 10:05:43 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; floriduh voter; Gazetteer
FYI.

This is the stuff of nightmares.

God Bless this little one who knew the decision to kill mentally broken but physically healthy human being in a NAZI KAMP style death, forcing her to DIE of hunger and thirst, is beyond brutal. Is, in fact, insane.

26 posted on 09/01/2005 10:06:35 AM PDT by Republic (Michael Schiavo comes to mind...ulitimate control is never relinquished with ease)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
If they really wanted to slug this thing out, I think they'd have grounds on the basis that a court cannot force a person to apologize for something. To do so is to force a person to admit guilt; something anathema to our justice system.

Judeges have gone way further than this. They have forced offenders to carry signs or wear T-shirts that trumpet their guilt. And if I recall correctly, many Freepers were in favor of these kinds of tactics.
30 posted on 09/01/2005 10:09:23 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Okay, I am not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Since the kid already admitted guilt by pleading guilty, the judge isn't forcing the kid to admit guilt. He (the kid) already did.

Now it can be argued that even though the kid admitted guilt, he feels no remorse and should not be forced to write a letter for something that he acknowledges was illegal but morally right.

I find it outrageous that the courts would require anyone to apologize for anything. Aside from the fact that the kid has nothing to apologize for, a forced apology is no apology.


37 posted on 09/01/2005 10:12:28 AM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
To do so is to force a person to admit guilt;

Which was a possibly unforeseen ramification of the "guilty" plea he made. I would have suggested "no contest."

79 posted on 09/01/2005 10:39:40 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

"To do so is to force a person to admit guilt; something anathema to our justice system."

He did admit guilt, though. I like to think I'd plead not guilty, and accuse the judge of acting as an accomplice to murder. On the other hand, maybe he doesn't see this as something he's going to have to explain to The Judge, when he stands before Him, so while guilty isn't exactly what he is, he'll admit to it to let things calm down, while we supposed adults figure out what to do next. And the children shall lead them...


96 posted on 09/01/2005 10:56:49 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.))
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; txrangerette
If they really wanted to slug this thing out, I think they'd have grounds on the basis that a court cannot force a person to apologize for something. To do so is to force a person to admit guilt; something anathema to our justice system.

He pled guilty - they would ahve no legal legs to stand on.

104 posted on 09/01/2005 11:02:22 AM PDT by drungus
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

ping. a probe.


364 posted on 09/06/2005 9:31:02 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

He already plead guilty in court, so admitting guilt is a forgone conclusion. The problem here is that "I'm sorry you didn't like that..." and "I am also sorry you didn't help save her life..." are not apologetic statements in the least. The judge should slap contempt charges on everyone involved.


566 posted on 09/12/2005 3:21:31 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; holdonnow

"If they really wanted to slug this thing out, I think they'd have grounds on the basis that a court cannot force a person to apologize for something. To do so is to force a person to admit guilt; something anathema to our justice system."


That seems to be a good point. How bout it holdonnow? Was it really proper and legal for this court to demand an apology from this boy who was trying to give water to Terry Shiavo?


979 posted on 09/24/2005 1:33:12 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Wear Red on Fridays to support the troops!!)
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