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Beware the Russian bear, Lech Walesa warns West
Times Online ^ | August 30, 2005 | Roger Boyes

Posted on 08/29/2005 7:16:27 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

LECH WALESA stepped down from the barricades yesterday and issued a warning to the West: beware of Russia! One of the world’s best-known revolutionaries was giving his swansong — he will resign this week from Solidarity, the union he led to help shatter communism — to journalists eager to know whether his revolution was ready to roll eastwards. Warsaw is abuzz with rumours about how the West and in particular Poland, should force the hand of President Lukashenko of Belarus.

Mr Walesa sounded an unusually nervous note. The Russian bear, he said, should not be provoked by an over-ambitious West keen to establish democratic governments on Russia’s borderlands, be it in Belarus or Moldova, or in Central Asia. “Russia is at a crossroads,” he said with his customary quick-fire delivery. “Will Russia in future be a threat or a friend? That is the question. Russia is needed by every country — it has huge resources, but of course it is needed not as a hegemonic system but as a developed, democratic country.”

Mr Walesa was speaking as veteran Solidarity underground activists, erstwhile dissidents from across Eastern Europe and Western human rights campaigners met to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Solidarity. The union was born as the result of strikes led by Mr Walesa in August 1980.

Western non-governmental organisations believe that they helped towards a remarkable Solidarity-like change of power in Ukraine and in Georgia. Polish Solidarity activists are now actively helping Belarussian dissidents to set up printing presses.

Mr Walesa fears that Poland is stumbling into a dangerously anti-Russian policy. Were the regime in Belarus to fall soon, with a helpful push from Poland, relations with President Putin would deteriorate. “Belarus is propped up by Russia, so the question is whether the European Union and the West are prepared to compensate the Belarussians for what they lose,” Mr Walesa said. “So I say to the Belarussians, go for democracy — but don’t make the mistakes we did in Poland.”

The Gdansk shipyards, he recalls, were dependent on orders from the Soviet Union. When communism collapsed, so did that market, and the yards — Mr Walesa’s old workplace — were all but bankrupt.

“We have to offer these societies a new Marshall Plan,” he told The Times, referring to the US postwar reconstruction aid for Europe. Were the Belarus regime to be toppled and the West to be reluctant to bail out its economy, the outcome would be an unstable state on the edge of the EU and an angry Russia.

The old-time revolutionary is thus using the 25th anniversary celebrations to discourage the spread of revolution.

Mr Walesa received support yesterday from Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was National Security Adviser to President Carter. Revolutions, he said, had to be sparked from within, not transplanted from the West. “Building democracy as an imposition from abroad is a form of imperialism,” he said.

The message from Mr Walesa and Professor Brzezinski is not particularly popular in Poland. The impatience with Belarus is growing and most politicians on the Centre Right — likely to come to power in impending elections — are willing to risk upsetting the Kremlin.

A radio station is being built up in Poland to transmit into Belarus. Non-governmental organisations are helping to train independent-minded Belarussian teachers. Polish universities are taking in Belarussian students banned from universities at home. Two EU members, Poland and Lithuania, see themselves as in the vanguard of change ahead of next year’s Belarus presidential elections.

“Russia’s problems are in proportion to its size,” Mr Walesa said. “As long as Russia is burdened by vast economic and social dilemmas, it will be liable to seek out scapegoats elsewhere. We have to find a way of talking with the Russians, sitting together and sorting out problems, freely, and as equals.”

Mr Walesa is making a kind of peace with the communists at home. Yesterday at the celebrations, sitting next to his successor as President, Aleksander Kwasniewski, a former communist whose term expires soon, he leaned over and suggested in a loud whisper: “We can forge a trade union for former presidents of Poland.”

“I’m in favour,” Mr Kwasniewski replied, “but I think I know who is going to be the chairman.”


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bear; belarus; lech; lechwalesa; paidbysoros; poland; russia; walesa; warn; warning
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1 posted on 08/29/2005 7:16:28 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Lots of cold flats and halted natural gas deliveries in the Ukraine these days.


2 posted on 08/29/2005 7:24:18 PM PDT by oilfieldtrash
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"...met to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Solidarity"

Walesa is a "social democrat" from the word go. But he is also one of the truly great men of our lifetime.

The thought of him as an old man blows my mind.

3 posted on 08/29/2005 7:32:19 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Artemis Webb

He is very Catholic and very anti Communist.


4 posted on 08/29/2005 7:43:39 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Scripture indicates that Russia cannot be trusted. Prophecy indicates that they will someday attack Israel. I think his warning should be taken seriously.


5 posted on 08/29/2005 7:44:25 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
"Social democrat" has a very concrete meaning in the European context, and it does not apply to Lech.
6 posted on 08/29/2005 7:49:20 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Mr Walesa fears that Poland is stumbling into a dangerously anti-Russian policy. Were the regime in Belarus to fall soon, with a helpful push from Poland, relations with President Putin would deteriorate.

Belarus, Georgia, and the Ukraine have every right to determine their own destiny. Poles, Western NGOs, and the U.S. helped overthrow the Russian leaning regime in the Ukraine, which was their right, since Russia was also providing monies. That said, the Poles act shocked and scream foul when the Russians turn on them by cutting off using the gas pipeline across Poland. Likewise, Putin helped the U.S. obtain bases in the Stans for the war in Afghanistan, and provided both supplies and tank crews for the Northern Alliance. Then we acted shocked when Russia acted to have Uzbekistan asked us to leave. It's a wonder we have not been asked to leave the other bases. I'm not saying Poland and the U.S. were wrong, but we shouldn't be surprised when there is a reaction.
7 posted on 08/29/2005 7:52:33 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Artemis Webb

Walesa retiring from Solidarity is one of those things that makes you pause and realize that time has gone by. The young Walesa surrounded by his union buddies -- gosh, that was a long time ago.


8 posted on 08/29/2005 7:54:36 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

a long time ago indeed.

They broke the mold on balls that big.


9 posted on 08/29/2005 7:58:30 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: oilfieldtrash
Beware the Russian bear, Lech Walesa warns West


10 posted on 08/29/2005 8:17:13 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How about a few American military bases to help keep an eye on the Russians, and give Germany the finger all in one nice package.


11 posted on 08/29/2005 8:31:56 PM PDT by lawnguy (It works Napoleon, you don't even know.)
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To: yankeedame; oilfieldtrash; Tailgunner Joe

BUMP #10!

'Bout sums the 2005 Russian bear.


12 posted on 08/29/2005 10:19:52 PM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is required to ensure the triumph [of evil] is that Good Men do nothing -- Edmund Burke)
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To: yankeedame

Weeeee!


13 posted on 08/29/2005 10:22:30 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: metmom
"Prophecy indicates that they will someday attack Israel. I think his warning should be taken seriously."

Putin is cozying up to Iran, who obviously intends to dominate the Mideast.

14 posted on 08/29/2005 10:28:31 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Tailgunner Joe

BTTT!

...agreed with Lech. We should encourage and offer incentives to private interests to get involved in Belarus.


15 posted on 08/29/2005 10:51:59 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop
...agreed with Lech. We should encourage and offer incentives to private interests to get involved in Belarus.

Luka destroyed Polish firms which tried to invest in Belarus, there is no laws in this country. But maybe US companies would be treated differently. Anyway there is big risk for the potential investors.

16 posted on 08/30/2005 1:39:43 AM PDT by Lukasz (On the trees - instead of leafs - we will hang the communists!)
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To: Artemis Webb
Walesa is a "social democrat" from the word go.

He is something like “ Catholic centrist”, definitely not right wing.

17 posted on 08/30/2005 1:42:46 AM PDT by Lukasz (On the trees - instead of leafs - we will hang the communists!)
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To: familyop
Warning on Confiscation of Goods in Belarus

The government of the Republic of Belarus routinely confiscates goods in transit through the country. These goods are seized and resold in a series of special shops throughout Belarus. In some cases the Belarusian government also confiscates the vehicle carrying the seized goods. The official reasons for confiscation vary, but include: clerical errors on invoices, missing signatures on paperwork, minor discrepancies between inventory and cargo, or claims by the Belarusian authorities that either the shipping or receiving company does not exist or went out of business.

The Embassy of the United States of America in Minsk endeavors to help any and all American companies that have had goods seized by Belarusian customs. Whenever any American owned cargo is seized by Belarusian customs, please contact the Economic Section of the U.S. Embassy in Minsk at 375-17-210-1283. However, these confiscations appear to be increasing in frequency, and many other European and Asian countries are also losing cargos. Therefore, the U.S. Government strongly advises U.S. businesses not to transit goods through Belarus, but to seek alternate routings.

BISNIS U.S. Department of Commerce
Tel: 202/482-2299, Fax: 202/482-2293
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18 posted on 08/30/2005 2:48:01 AM PDT by Lukasz (On the trees - instead of leafs - we will hang the communists!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Very interesting piece. Russia is at a cross roads, and there are signs that the beer doesn't like being prodded that much.


19 posted on 08/30/2005 4:18:16 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Within 15 years, Russia will once again be called the Soviet Union. People still do not understand that Putin is a Communist and he runs Russia like a Communist.

I still submit that the Soviet empire didn't collapse, but streamlined itself more as a political influence than a military one. They could never hold all that land and it bankrupted them. Now they will do it by influencing each country using elections to do what the military once did.


20 posted on 08/30/2005 4:35:46 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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