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President Bush vows to fight border problems (close it ASAP please)
Newsmax.com ^ | 8-29-05

Posted on 08/29/2005 1:49:54 PM PDT by FeeinTennessee

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To: inquest
"this Krikorian character"

He is one of the High Priests in the Church of the Anti-illegals.

An unpopular thread at Free Republic

Several MSM articles published at the time Tanc introduced his bill said that he would be relying on attrition.

101 posted on 08/29/2005 4:02:58 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: GOPiate

George Bush has taken an oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Article IV, Section 4 of that Constitution reads, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion."


102 posted on 08/29/2005 4:03:32 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: inquest
All I'm saying is that Tancredo is being hypocritical for not admitting the obvious.

He does this so that he can maintain "Tancredo-the-myth"

Were he to to say what he intends to do about the illegals, his fund-raising would plummet.

103 posted on 08/29/2005 4:09:33 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Melas
"Gutless would imply that he agreed with your position and simply lacked the courage to act on it. The truth is that he doesn't agree with your position."

I disagree. In fact I will go so far as to say that most Republicans AND DEMOCRATS know that the massive illegal immigration problem is a disaster for this country but in a disgusting display of unanimity refuse to do anything to alienate Hispanic voters. It all comes down to gaining,holding and manipulating power.

The good of the nation be damned.

104 posted on 08/29/2005 4:10:52 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Artemis Webb

If I had known that President Bush was going to do nothing about illegal immigrants, I would not have voted for him.


105 posted on 08/29/2005 4:29:09 PM PDT by maxwellp
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To: Ben Ficklin
What exactly is your point, Krikorian is calling for a sealing of the borders to prevent any new entries and is against guest worker programs that are amnesties in disguise. The idea is to gradually break the addiction of businesses to illegals.

That's the important part of his message that Bush and others in Washington aren't getting. The argument over whether illegals inside the country should be removed tomorrow cold turkey or gradually over a 5 to 10 year period can be reasonably debated. But he doesn't sound like a shill for illegal aliens to me in any way.

As far as the illegals inside the country: Tancredo probably would take the Krikorian approach for political reasons. But it is still far better than the status quo. One thing that makes the idea feasible is that Tancredo's bill would end the anchor baby scam, which gives the executive branch an excuse not to deport many illegals they find.

106 posted on 08/29/2005 4:34:09 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Ben Ficklin
I would also be insulted if I were linked with Tancredo.

ROFLMAO!

107 posted on 08/29/2005 4:35:06 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Cindy Sheehan, Pat Buchanan, John Conyers, and David Duke Are Just Different Sides of the Same Coin.)
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To: Artemis Webb

If I had known that President Bush was going to do nothing about illegal immigrants, I would not have voted for him. Thank God for great Americans known as "The Minutemen". And then President Bush turns around and calls them "Vigilantes". Also, these days when President Bush talks about the WOT on TV and then the next news segment shows hundreds of Mexicans and heaven knows who else running right into America, my husband and I laugh. His advisors should tell him how stupid he sounds.


108 posted on 08/29/2005 4:36:55 PM PDT by maxwellp
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To: Ben Ficklin
All I'm saying is that Tancredo is being hypocritical for not admitting the obvious.

There's nothing that he's not admitting. All that's happened is that you've come up with a strawman for what an anti-illegal would think, you note that Tancredo doesn't live up to your strawman, and then you accuse him of hypocrisy.

Were he to to say what he intends to do about the illegals, his fund-raising would plummet.

You can't judge what he intends to do about the illegals on the basis of this one bill. Politics is the art of the possible, and he's trying to do what's possible. And his proposals are head-and-shoulders above anything that anyone else in Washington is proposing.

109 posted on 08/29/2005 4:48:21 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: FeeinTennessee
First his idea to fix the border problem was to reward criminal invaders with jobs, benefits, and eventual citizenship but to call it something other than amnesty. By "fighting border problems", given his record, this time I'm sure he means removing all obstacles to border crossing, creating safe corridors for criminal invaders to come in, and providing food, water, and transportation for those who need help in breaking and entering our country.

Yes, I'm being sardonic. But the bottom line is that I won't believe that Bush is doing something about the border crisis until I actually see it with my own eyes and that it a.)reduces the number of criminal invaders in this country and b.)strongly deters any more illegal border crossings and enhances national security. Until then, it is all talk designed to mislead the public into thinking he gives a damn about our lack of border security.

110 posted on 08/29/2005 4:54:07 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: One Proud Dad
Chertoff is on Hannity now giving the double talk. He said the cost of sending people back to their country is high. Building a fence would require 3 tiers of fencing in urban areas and no fence in the desert.

Cherthoff should be fired. He's on national television giving excuses why the homeland won't be properly secured. Without border security there is NO homeland security. But he sure is playing the good toady and shilling for the president's continued dereliction of his duty to secure each state from invasion.

111 posted on 08/29/2005 4:57:24 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: FeeinTennessee

I suspect that Bush's words are just more rhetoric.

Well, then again, maybe this time he really . . . . naaahhh!


112 posted on 08/29/2005 4:57:48 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: Ben Ficklin
"If Tancredo's plan doesn't deal with 10-20 million illegals, it is seriously lacking."

It's not supposed to. It is comprehensive program for guest workers. If asked I'm sure Tancredo would say there are already many laws that "deal with 10-20 million illegals". They just need to be enforced.
113 posted on 08/29/2005 4:59:18 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I get now. We are going to adopt immigration reform and wait 10 years to see if it works?


114 posted on 08/29/2005 4:59:56 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Aetius
If the Kyl/Cornyn bill doesn't allow the 'guests' to bring their families, then that is indeed a mark of superiority over the terrible McCain/Kennedy bill, but I have a hard time believing that such a provision will ever survive anything passed by the Senate (House is a different matter). I can just imagine the endless parroting of sob stories that will be used against it.

The Kyl/Cornyn bill is a good step in the right direction, but it doesn't go nearly far enough. If we had true Republican leadership in the White House, the Congress, and the RNC on this issue - and not a bunch of spineless excuse-makers and PC fools - we'd get something even better than Kyl/Cornyn. Instead, we're going to likely end up with something far worse that doesn't come close to addressing the problem but will be easy to claim victory on before the election. I like just about everything else President Bush is doing, but his leadership on the border security and immigration reform issues is so lacking it is frustrating.

115 posted on 08/29/2005 5:00:31 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: RoyalsFan
Listening to Bush's sec. of homeland security call illegal immigrants "economic migrants" on Sean Hannity's radio program today made me sick.

Did Cherthoff really call criminal invaders something like "economic migrants"!? He really should be fired. Is he going to call terrorists something like "freedom fighters" next?

116 posted on 08/29/2005 5:01:53 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: FeeinTennessee

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118 posted on 08/29/2005 5:07:16 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: moehoward
A guest worker program is but one part of immigration reform.

Even as a guest worker program it is seriously lacking.

It is widely accepted that the tech worker and nurses guest worker programs work very well, but Tanc wants to change them. Dumb.

119 posted on 08/29/2005 5:09:31 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
We are going to adopt immigration reform and wait 10 years to see if it works?

It's not about waiting and you know it. You seal the borders, you do not provide amnesty in any way and you deport the invading illegals. The only question is it all at once or gradually?

Tancredo is calling for a legal temporary guest worker program, that's also part of his reform. No illegals inside the country need apply and there's no more anchor babies.

Compared to the other turkeys in the Senate Tancredo's bill wins hands down.

120 posted on 08/29/2005 5:10:32 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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