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To: Lexinom
The Word also speaks of three different heaven/earth ages.

There was a catastrophic event that killed off all life in the FIRST heaven/earth age prior to man ever being form in the flesh. The dinos were around in the FIRST heaven/earth age.

Genesis 1:2 is describing that event, with follow up descriptions elsewhere planted within the Word.

Creationists do themselves no service claiming that the dino's were around during this heaven/earth age.

What evolutionists reject is the Heavenly Father did do what He said He did.
22 posted on 08/27/2005 10:07:09 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Genesis 1:2 doesn't even come close to describing such an event.


27 posted on 08/27/2005 10:34:33 PM PDT by Fatalist (60 in 06)
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To: Just mythoughts

Read Job chapters 40 and 41 and then say that.


50 posted on 08/28/2005 3:31:05 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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To: Just mythoughts

There was no first heaven

Read Job

Where did Leviathan come from?


51 posted on 08/28/2005 3:35:51 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Just mythoughts
There was a catastrophic event that killed off all life in the FIRST heaven/earth age prior to man ever being form in the flesh

I have always understood that the mistranslation of the word "Was" in Genesis 1:2 was the culprit for this controversy. Most newer translations (including your disdained NIV) show a footnote that "Became" is also acceptable. The Hebrew word is "Hayah" and for reference it is the same hebrew word used in Genesis 19:26 where it says "But Lot's wife looked back and she "became" a pillar of salt."

When the proper translation is used, and traditional theology is ignored, you do indeed find acceptable the idea as you proposed of a prior creation.....but, I do agree that the creation from Genesis 1:3 through 1:31 took a literal 6 days to complete. And God rested on the Sabbath.

Using "became" as the verb in Genesis 1:2 allows then perhaps billions and billions of years between verse 1 and verse 2. Then 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 make more sense when you realize that the location "Tartarus"(Greek for the commonly mis-translated Hell) is the current restrained condition of the sinning angels from the "Ancient" world.

I often ask people to show me in scripture where the rebellion of Satan and his angels took place....if not before Genesis 1:2?????

147 posted on 08/28/2005 3:00:25 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Just mythoughts

My mother tends to believe the version that you mention, but I've read the verses that supposedly support this and do not see the correlation. It's the strongest point of disagreement we have about Scripture interpretation.

Personally, other than accepting that seven days is seven days and that God could certainly create a mere world in that amount of time, I wonder how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden and about what was going on elsewhere until they were expelled. Dinosaurs could have been on the Earth at the same time but may have been extinguished when the couple was exiled. Happily, my thoughts on the subject are neither important to Salvation nor to science. We'll find out when the time comes and will be amazed.


192 posted on 08/28/2005 10:18:25 PM PDT by skr
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To: Just mythoughts
Did death come before the disobedience of Adam? Did Jesus Christ shed His blood and pay a ransom for the dead before Adam? Did the creation groan because sin brought on death or has the creation always groaned?

There was a catastrophic event that killed off all life in the FIRST heaven/earth age prior to man ever being form in the flesh. The dinos were around in the FIRST heaven/earth age.

How does the "first man, Adam" (1Cr 15:45) fit into your theology? Does your Bible say the first "flesh" formed man? Mormons believe in spirit only men, do you agree with their theology in that regard? Moroni (Morman Prophet) became an Angel; do men too? Do Angels (spirit beings) die? Was Adam an Angel before his "incarnation"?

Always use the straightforward passages when considering the cryptic passages. If the straightforward passages contradict our understanding of a cloudy passage, stick with what you can ascertain, rather than squeezing meaning into words that are not very clear.

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Pre-Fall establishment of marriage:

Gen 2:24-25
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

223 posted on 08/29/2005 12:10:09 PM PDT by bondserv (Creation sings a song of praise, Declaring the wonders of Your ways †)
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To: Just mythoughts
There was a catastrophic event that killed off all life in the FIRST heaven/earth age prior to man ever being form in the flesh. The dinos were around in the FIRST heaven/earth age.

Genesis 1:2 is describing that event, with follow up descriptions elsewhere planted within the Word.

no it doesn't


evolution depends on the life and death cycle ...

before Adam sinned death was not on the earth
sin brings forth death
the wages of sin is death.

you can't believe in the God of the Bible and evolution ... the are exclusionary ... period.
291 posted on 08/30/2005 5:45:41 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: Just mythoughts
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. ACP/KJV

care to tell me where in the world you get The Word also speaks of three different heaven/earth ages. There was a catastrophic event that killed off all life in the FIRST heaven/earth age prior to man ever being form in the flesh. The dinos were around in the FIRST heaven/earth age. Genesis 1:2 is describing that event, with follow up descriptions elsewhere planted within the Word. Creationists do themselves no service claiming that the dino's were around during this heaven/earth age.

Out of your statement?

302 posted on 08/30/2005 6:05:09 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: Just mythoughts
Genesis 1:2 is describing that event, with follow up descriptions elsewhere planted within the Word.

Genesis 1:1 says: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep...

The Hebrew word for was, is became, without form and void Hebrew word "tohu va bohu", vain waste. Isaiah 45:18 says God did not create the Heaven and Earth "taho va bohu" same Hebrew word used in Genesis. The first verse of Genesis allows for all kinds of life (dinosaurs), God created in the first heaven and earth. And we are not told how many years or centuries that earth existed. Something happened to the first heaven and earth maybe when Lucifer,the morning star, tried to overthrow God and took a third of the angels with him and was cast out of the heavens. Isaiah 14:12-15

323 posted on 08/30/2005 8:04:37 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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