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MILITARY 'SPIED' ON RICE (More Able Danger leaks from Specter staffers)
NY Post ^ | 8/27/05 | NILES LATHEM

Posted on 08/27/2005 6:13:35 AM PDT by jimbo123

Cyber-sleuths working for a Pentagon intelligence unit that reportedly identified some of the 9/11 hijackers before the attack were fired by military officials, after they mistakenly pinpointed Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other prominent Americans as potential security risks, The Post has learned.

The private contractors working for the counter-terrorism unit Able Danger lost their jobs in May 2000. The firings following a series of analyses that Pentagon lawyers feared were dangerously close to violating laws banning the military from spying on Americans, sources said.

The Pentagon canceled its contract with the private firm shortly after the analysts — who were working on identifying al Qaeda operatives — produced a particularly controversial chart on proliferation of sensitive technology to China, the sources said.

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Sources said the private contractors, using sophisticated computer software that sifts through massive amounts of raw data to establish patterns, came up with a chart of Chinese strategic and business connections in the U.S.

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The China chart was put together by James Smith, who confirmed yesterday that his contract with the military was canceled and he was fired from his company because the military brass became concerned about the focus on U.S. citizens.

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"It was shut down in a matter of hours. The colonel said our service was no longer needed and told me: 'You just ended my career.' "

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(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; abledanger; atta; china; counterterrorism; gorelick; hillary; rice; specter
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To: Peach; Enchante; Mo1; All
This is another thing that's a very convenient veil to understanding all the complexities:

Gorelick's rebuttals, other of the government officials' testimonies, and the 9/11 Commission report itself are replete in their references to various government agencies, departments of agencies, projects, etc. by their anagrams, such as OIPR, FISA, NSLU, etc. etc. ..as if these aren't run by people, and as if the Clinton Admin. didn't SELECT the people to run and work in these agencies/agency departments and oversee their efforts.

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Obviously, we all know what DOJ, DCI, FBI, etc. mean, but it does take some extra work to decipher some testimony. And Gorelick was famous for using the OIPR and FISA, etc. terminology throughout .. failing to state her involvement in their structured roles.

PERTINENT SECTION OF 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT OF PEOPLE, PLACES AND ORGANIZATIONS

In July 1995, Attorney General Reno issued formal procedures aimed at managing information sharing between Justice Department prosecutors and the FBI.They were developed in a working group led by the Justice Department's Executive Office of National Security, overseen by Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick. These procedures--while requiring the sharing of intelligence information with prosecutors--regulated the manner in which such information could be shared from the intelligence side of the house to the criminal side.

These procedures were almost immediately misunderstood and misapplied.

(((WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF CORRECTING MISINTERPRETATIONS .. WHERE WAS THE SUPERVISORY OVERVIEW OF GOVT. POLICIES FLOWING DOWN TO OPERATIVE LEVELS????)))

As a result, there was far less information sharing and coordination between the FBI and the Criminal Division in practice than was allowed under the department's procedures. Over time the procedures came to be referred to as "the wall." The term "the wall" is misleading, however, because several factors led to a series of barriers to information sharing that developed.

The Office of Intelligence Policy and Review became the sole gatekeeper for passing information to the Criminal Division. Though Attorney General Reno's procedures did not include such a provision, the Office assumed the role anyway, arguing that its position reflected the concerns of Judge Royce Lamberth, then chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.The Office threatened that if it could not regulate the flow of information to criminal prosecutors, it would no longer present the FBI's warrant requests to the FISA Court.The information flow withered.

The 1995 procedures dealt only with sharing between agents and criminal prosecutors, not between two kinds of FBI agents, those working on intelligence matters and those working on criminal matters. But pressure from the Office of Intelligence Policy Review, FBI leadership, and the FISA Court built barriers between agents--even agents serving on the same squads. FBI Deputy Director Bryant reinforced the Office's caution by informing agents that too much information sharing could be a career stopper.Agents in the field began to believe--incorrectly--that no FISA information could be shared with agents working on criminal investigations.

This perception evolved into the still more exaggerated belief that the FBI could not share any intelligence information with criminal investigators, even if no FISA procedures had been used. Thus, relevant information from the National Security Agency and the CIA often failed to make its way to criminal investigators. Separate reviews in 1999, 2000, and 2001 concluded independently that information sharing was not occurring, and that the intent of the 1995 procedures was ignored routinely. We will describe some of the unfortunate consequences of these accumulated institutional beliefs and practices in chapter 8.

There were other legal limitations. Both prosecutors and FBI agents argued that they were barred by court rules from sharing grand jury information, even though the prohibition applied only to that small fraction that had been presented to a grand jury, and even that prohibition had exceptions.

But as interpreted by FBI field offices, this prohibition could conceivably apply to much of the information unearthed in an investigation.There were also restrictions,arising from executive order, on the commingling of domestic information with foreign intelligence. Finally the NSA began putting caveats on its Bin Ladin­related reports that required prior approval before sharing their contents with criminal investigators and prosecutors. These developments further blocked the arteries of information sharing.

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The whole 9/11 Commission Report Index of People, Places and Organizations is a wonderful resource.

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As I recall, the selection of the Commissioners was split between the White House and co-equal selections by the Congress critters by party. From memory of reading of that process -- Gorelick was selected by Gephardt (thanks, Dick!).

121 posted on 08/27/2005 9:12:12 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: mware
These designations are effective October 1, 2000, and constitute designations pursuant to sections 1412(a)(2) and 1415(d)(1) of the Act.

The Attorney General is authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

WILLIAM J. CLINTON

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Question: WHY did he do this FOUR months before he left office????

122 posted on 08/27/2005 9:15:42 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: EverOnward
Like most things done in congress...there is an effort to award the minority a fair shake or stake in commissions designed to investigate critical areas of policy and in this case, a tragedy brought about by lack of information.

I am almost certain, as a post above reported, that each party had an equal number of seats on the commission....exactly WHO in each party made the actual choices for their particular seats is unknown...as is the question of WHO was responsible for assembling each of the staffers who worked for the commission.

I doubt that President Bush had a hand in choosing what republicans would sit on the commission...but who knows. And I have NO IDEA what democrat chose or nominated the democrat commission members.

The staffers and their backgrounds did run on a thread here on FR...it is kinda loaded.

BUT THAT JAMIE GORELICK, democrat, TRAITOR, a person deeply involved with the policy that FORCED the FBI and CIA and the POLICE to remain silent and NOT SHARE INFORMATION regarding aliens if the green cards were in place, even if they were suspects, as Able Danger made known, IS HORRIFIC.

She should have been a WITNESS...her presence on the commission was her immunity card....HER GREEN CARD as it were...to be free from the fear of having to explain her HORRIFIC POLICY and to tell us WHO ORDERED IT.

123 posted on 08/27/2005 9:16:54 AM PDT by Republic
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To: STARWISE

Wasn't this around the time ABLE DANGER was trying to get a meeting with the FBI???


124 posted on 08/27/2005 9:31:08 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: Dog

Do you really think AD will get buried, Dog? I'll be so discouraged if that happens.


125 posted on 08/27/2005 9:34:28 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Mo1

THis is what confused me this morning...the timing seems all wrong. How could it be Condi they targeted? I thought they were shut down by the time she had a position within the Bush administration.


126 posted on 08/27/2005 9:36:13 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: mware

Have you heard any more information re the female PHD (defense contractor) that may testify?


127 posted on 08/27/2005 9:38:49 AM PDT by debg (Live from Miami)
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To: debg

NO I haven't heard anything. You might try Captains Quarters. They break lots of the information.


128 posted on 08/27/2005 9:41:42 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: Peach
Peach it sound like that got the wrong Rice to me.

If they did, they got egg on their face big time.

129 posted on 08/27/2005 9:43:01 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: mware

Lazy journalism, they see the name Rice and Stanford and came to a conclusion based on both words.


130 posted on 08/27/2005 9:43:57 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: mware

Could very well be .. but I seem to remember the "4 months before 9/11" being the timeframe when Able Danger was shut down and thinking: how outrageous and infuriating. I could be wrong.


131 posted on 08/27/2005 9:46:24 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: mware

Thanks..staying tuned.


132 posted on 08/27/2005 9:48:27 AM PDT by debg (Live from Miami)
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To: STARWISE
I think you are correct in regards to the time frame when it was shut down.

I am talking about when ABLE DANGER tried to warn the FBI about Atta and could not because of the wall.

133 posted on 08/27/2005 9:49:07 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: mware
One of other thing remember Reno was Attorney General and Clinton's EO now puts her into the Defense Dept too. That could have been the legal eagles in the Pentagon that stopped the warning about Atta in country.
134 posted on 08/27/2005 9:50:55 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: Mo1

Hmmmmm.... wonder if that Cameron is relative of another Cameron who out of nowhere discovered a long ago George Bush DUI????


135 posted on 08/27/2005 9:53:00 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Wuli; Peach; Enchante
YOU SAID..."when the nations' political class as a whole is really threatened,..."

I wonder what that statement (by Rush I believe) really implies.

It goes beyond Atta IMHO. Atta was just a byproduct of this data mining activity.

It certainly includes CHINA, and criminal and treasonous activities there by the Clintons. Thats where the coverup effort started.

But it doesn't end there......

What could possibly threaten the political class as a whole?

Is it mere embarrassment at letting Atta get away?

Possible...but maybe theres more ... money trails, special interests, PAC money, lobbyists, etc.....

What OTHER foreign associations (besides China) were uncovered by the Able Danger COMPUTER PROGRAM...that need to be quashed BY THE POLITICAL CLASS?

How good WAS this COMPUTER PROGRAM?
136 posted on 08/27/2005 9:54:56 AM PDT by Dat Mon (still lookin for a good one....tagline)
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To: Howlin

I would bet dollars to donuts that the NYP writer was fed the name "Rice" and then filled in the blanks with assumptions.


137 posted on 08/27/2005 9:58:27 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Can we swap Cindy Sheehan in Crawford for Cindy Crawford anywhere?)
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To: mware

Oh .. yes, could be. I'd have to back through the threads to find out when it was initiated.


138 posted on 08/27/2005 10:18:23 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: Dat Mon

139 posted on 08/27/2005 10:20:27 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher

"Oh what a terrible tangled web we weave....."


140 posted on 08/27/2005 10:25:47 AM PDT by Dat Mon (still lookin for a good one....tagline)
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