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A War to Be Proud Of - [Christopher Hitchens at his best]
The Weekly Standard ^ | September 5, 2005 issue | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 08/27/2005 4:51:10 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored

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To: mother22wife21

Now it's my turn to apologise, that comment was off-topic, but I'm pleased you enjoyed Hitchens.


121 posted on 08/27/2005 6:36:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: FederalistPhred
Some opponents of Gulf War I gave this as a reason to oppose invasion. I wonder how many of these people are now crowing that Bush "lied" about WMD's.

Joe Wilson, for one. As late as January, 2003, Wilson was making speeches about Saddam's arsenal of WMD and how he would use them to combat an invasion.

Then, he was hired by the Kerry campaign...and changed his mind.

122 posted on 08/27/2005 7:00:21 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Fred Nerks

Excellent!

Thanks for sharing, Fred!


123 posted on 08/27/2005 7:18:55 PM PDT by Former Dodger ( "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Einstein)
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To: okie01
I had forgotten about Wilson saying that! Amazing how the left has erased the entire decade of the 90's, right thru to the war to disarm Saddam and Sons.

And now that they are disarmed, suddenly when Saddam is no threat, Bush is the threat.

Evil bastards.
124 posted on 08/27/2005 8:53:51 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: snarks_when_bored

bump for later.


125 posted on 08/27/2005 9:02:46 PM PDT by Eva
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To: snarks_when_bored

The President has done what Mr. Hitchens ask many times. It is just never covered by the mainstream media because it doesn't fit their agenda.


126 posted on 08/27/2005 9:44:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Dittos, we need press conferences broadcasted on the major networks in full everyday, of our military and the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The DNC's media will not do it because they want control of the facts on the ground, and the mood.

We should DEMAND it, now.
127 posted on 08/28/2005 8:37:40 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: snarks_when_bored

Sunday bump. Excellent article.


128 posted on 08/28/2005 11:43:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: roses of sharon
Evil bastards.

Couldn't have said it better, m'self.

129 posted on 08/28/2005 6:56:48 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: snarks_when_bored; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; King Prout; SJackson; dennisw; ...

Christopher Hitchens Nailed It!
Moral Clarity BUMP !

This ping list is not author-specific for articles I'd like to share. Some for the perfect moral clarity, some for provocative thoughts; or simply interesting articles I'd hate to miss myself. (I don't have to agree with the author all 100% to feel the need to share an article.) I will try not to abuse the ping list and not to annoy you too much, but on some days there is more of the good stuff that is worthy of attention. You can see the list of articles I pinged to lately  on  my page.
You are welcome in or out, just freepmail me (and note which PING list you are talking about).
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130 posted on 08/29/2005 1:26:12 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Even for Hitch, a superior article.

Thanks for this and the day's other morally clear messages.


131 posted on 08/29/2005 2:05:45 PM PDT by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: patriciaruth

"State in one sentence for me one piece of information (hard fact) that will convince a high school drop out that Saddam was aiding and abetting al Qaida to attack the World Trade Center. "

How about two words: Salman Pak.
The training grounds outside Bagdad where they kept a 747 fuselage for the express purpose of training terrorists to take over an airplane using available weapons (ie boxcutters) - the tactic used on 9/11 - and which was visited by at least one of the 19 hijackers.

I would make a lot more of this if I were on W's PR team.


132 posted on 08/29/2005 5:41:59 PM PDT by Shazolene
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To: snarks_when_bored

It's a great article, but anyone who listened to the President since 9/11 knows he has made these points over and over again. The President would welcome Hitchens remarks, but he doesn't need Hitchens to speak for him. He has done that - very eloquently - (and I stand by the word) since 9/11.


133 posted on 08/29/2005 6:23:02 PM PDT by carton253 (It's better to have a gun and not need it than not have a gun and need it.)
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To: Peach
If I had to opinine, I would say that every time the President tries to tell the American people, the media only relates it to 9/11. It's an argument he is unable to win because of the forces that are allied against him. Not only in the media, but in Congress as well.

Is Al-Queda and Iraq linked together. Absolutely. Just as Iraq and Hamas, Iran and Fatah, and PA and the Egyptian Brotherhood. It's all one big organization (which you are aware of) and not a bunch of independent actors.

134 posted on 08/29/2005 6:29:26 PM PDT by carton253 (It's better to have a gun and not need it than not have a gun and need it.)
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To: liberty2004
I would be interested in how you would suggest that the President should get around the anti-press Bush.

The only way he can do that is by going to the people directly, which he has done since 9/11. Watch any of these speeches on C-Span (when and if shown) or on Fox News... and he lays out a brilliant and inspiring justification for this war.

135 posted on 08/29/2005 6:37:41 PM PDT by carton253 (It's better to have a gun and not need it than not have a gun and need it.)
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To: carton253

And the CIA and other intel agencies come out constantly with info to try and "prove" the president wrong every time he tries to make his point.

It's infuriating. And a dangerous game. But I think you're right about what is going on.

Having said that, however, he is the president and as such, the most powerful man in the world. The soldiers are doing their part protecting us and much as I love this president, I would like him to do what he needs to do at home to make sure that people understand why we have GOT to support our soldiers.

And if that means it gets ugly in the press, let it. But if he got up before the American people with charts and articles and various and asundry bits of "proof" that we have here on FR, more people would accept his word than the media's.

Their ratings are in the toilet. 30 odd percent approval ratings. People don't trust the media. More people will trust the president.

Just my opinion and I could easily be wrong. I'm the one who told my husband after meeting him when he ran that he couldn't win because he's great in person but doesn't come across on television :-)


136 posted on 08/29/2005 6:41:09 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: snarks_when_bored
"Prison conditions at Abu Ghraib have improved markedly and dramatically since the arrival of Coalition troops in Baghdad."

That line alone deserves a big bump.

137 posted on 08/29/2005 7:14:59 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Casey was proud to be a soldier." Patrick Sheehan, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan's father)
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To: johnny7

You're right. I was glad to see his point #10, since it's important but rarely gets mentioned. America's military is now incontestably the world's premier nation-building and counterinsurgency force. Heaven forbid that we would have to undertake anything like Iraq again anytime soon, but if it had to happen, or if we found ourselves faced with some other situation where those skills might come in handy, we'll be the best equipped to do it -- not the UN or Europe or anyone else, by a longshot (an even longer shot than before). We now have a superior understanding of how to build a nation and how to fight an insurgency, because we've done it. We've made plenty of mistakes, but we've gotten our hands dirty and done the hard work and learned (and are learning) from them. We've gained mastery in areas where mastery can be gained only through experience. This is no small thing. It would be hard to overstate the value of having hundreds of thousands of troops and their leaders experienced and hardened in what will no doubt be the prevalent mode of warfare in the forseeable future.


138 posted on 08/29/2005 7:15:48 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: snarks_when_bored
It would be admirable if the president could manage to make such a presentation.

Sad but true.

139 posted on 08/29/2005 7:17:09 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Casey was proud to be a soldier." Patrick Sheehan, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan's father)
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To: Peach
And since we got to Iraq, we have found so much more information to absolutely solidly confirm the long standing relationship.

The 'Unholy Alliance' was forged in Iraq. Remember how the Marxist cabal within the west went ballistic at even a suggestion that the secular Saddam could work with the fundamentalist islamists ? They were obviously clueless or hiding something more sinister.

140 posted on 08/29/2005 8:04:59 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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