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Asian bird flu outbreak 'could trigger 1930s-style collapse'
Telegraph.co.UK ^ | August 26, 2005 | Malcolm Moore

Posted on 08/26/2005 5:17:42 AM PDT by conservativecorner

An outbreak of Asian bird flu, which experts said yesterday is bound to hit the UK, could trigger an economic collapse similar to the Great Depression of the 1930s, two financial analysts warned yesterday.

In a lengthy research report titled An Investor's Guide to Avian Flu, Sherry Cooper and Donald Coxe warn that the food, tourism and insurance industries could be devastated in a relatively short time.

Lee Jong-wook: millions and millions of deaths The two analysts, who work for BMO Nesbitt Burns, a Canadian bank, said: "The combination of collapsing demand from China and India and the likelihood of a collapse in demand for housing and cars in the OECD nations would mean prices of base metals and steel would plunge." They also said companies would be hit by panicking staff and that "rates of both absenteeism and death would be sharply higher than should be necessary".

Yesterday, the World Health Organisation said it was stepping up its fight against bird flu by securing enough doses of the Tamiflu anti-viral agent to treat 3m people.

"If it hits, and we are unprepared, there will be millions and millions of deaths," warned Lee Jong-wook, the head of the WHO.

The risk of an outbreak has risen since the virus spread into Russia, although it has yet to be passed from human to human. Asian bird flu has killed 50 people since 2003, and forced millions of poultry to be slaughtered.

The two analysts said that the world would be better placed to deal with a new epidemic, since the internet could allow people to shop from the safety of their homes. They warned not to invest in IT shares though, because most IT companies rely on the Far East for their components.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: asia; avianflu; avianflue; outbreak; who
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1 posted on 08/26/2005 5:17:42 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

If it ain't another half-wit trying to play economist.

The Great Depression was caused by a collapse in the stock of money by fully one third. Nothing else.

The notion that bird flue could cause a repeat is both ignorant and wrong.

The only time a major disease affected economic activity was the black plague and it caused prices to rise, not fall, and employment to increase, not fall.

Wiping out a large fraction of the population leaves more resources for the rest of us.

This article's just whooping at the moon.


2 posted on 08/26/2005 5:30:27 AM PDT by Santiago de la Vega (El hijo del Zorro)
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To: conservativecorner

Sorry,

I meant to begin with thanks for posting this.

Thanks.


3 posted on 08/26/2005 5:31:31 AM PDT by Santiago de la Vega (El hijo del Zorro)
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To: Santiago de la Vega

The big difference between then and now is that we have a global economy to deal with when the next pandemic strikes. To say that there will be large scale disruptions of goods and services around the world is a huge understatement. Here's praying that we never find out who's right or wrong.


4 posted on 08/26/2005 5:38:24 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Santiago de la Vega
WE'RE DOOMED!
5 posted on 08/26/2005 5:39:16 AM PDT by Xenophobic Alien ("It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level.")
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To: conservativecorner
They also said companies would be hit by panicking staff and that "rates of both absenteeism and death would be sharply higher than should be necessary".

Is this a Babelfish translation, or are these people goofballs? How do you determine the "necessary" rates of "absenteeism and death," anyway?

6 posted on 08/26/2005 5:40:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Oklahoma is the cultural center of the universe ... take me back to Tulsa!)
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To: Xenophobic Alien
Oh yeah, almost forgot...

BUSH'S FAULT!

7 posted on 08/26/2005 5:40:07 AM PDT by Xenophobic Alien ("It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level.")
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To: Santiago de la Vega
For an old bond trader your grasp on economics does not seem to be particularly sound.

Indeed our postindustrial service societies are very much reliant on humans as resources. Moreover, the free and easy mobility of those humans is a prerequisite to the continued growth of the economy.

A significant disruption to their ability to move freely, or the death of a significant number of the highly trained individuals would have a serious impact on the global economy.

Massive overcapacity on the part of firms combined with the inability of those companies as well as individuals to make good on debt payments would, indeed, lead to a dramatic collapse akin to the Depression.

The causes would be different, but the results the same.

What surprises me is your analogy to the Black Plague which struck during an age of mercantilism. Your economics seemed to indicate a mercantilist orientation "More resources for the other" as if it is a zero-sum game.

Strange for a bond trader. Perhaps you should go back to Economic 101.
8 posted on 08/26/2005 5:45:38 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (If you want to know the truth, I am lying.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Thank you for bringing these correct points up. The last pandemic had a death rate of 3% while this strain of bird flu has so far had a 50% death rate. I understand that these regions are rural and poor, but to say that industrialized nations will be immune to this potential pandemic is a terrible understatement.


9 posted on 08/26/2005 5:55:26 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Santiago de la Vega

THE SKY IS FALLING!


10 posted on 08/26/2005 5:57:30 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Iowa Granny

marking for a later read


11 posted on 08/26/2005 6:45:34 AM PDT by Iowa Granny (Hippies - take a bath. Ted Kennedy can lead you to water.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Unique Right Freedoms? My grasp of German's not good, and never was.

Let's start with the simple stuff: the cause of the great depression and WW II. Please read Milton Friedman's MONETARY HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES, and then question me closely if you have questions.

I think you'll find a coherent explanation of both phenomenons: war and depression. If it's still not clear, we'll keep trying till we either agree, or agree to disagree. I have no axe to grind but accurate predictions.

Now, on to the effects of a radical, or extreme decline in the number of souls in the economy caused by some medical catastrophe. It seems obvious, both from simple theory and from the facts from the Black Plague that employment, income, consumption, savings, and investment (per capita) will increase. It's almost a tautology.

I'm puzzled why you disagree.


12 posted on 08/26/2005 10:26:57 PM PDT by Santiago de la Vega (El hijo del Zorro)
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To: conservativecorner; Mother Abigail; Judith Anne; BassDir; redgolum; 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; ..
conservativecorner -- Given the housing bubble, the catastrophic effects of Katrina, and skyrocketing oil prices -- Bird Flu may be the final straw that 'breaks the camel's back.'

Like the 1918 Spanish Flu, which killed about 50 million world wide (and was also spread by migratory birds), there is really no effective treatment of the H5N1 virus. In short, if this very nasty virus starts to spread among humans, the world economy is heading into total collapse. Read More About the Bird Flu? Russian scientists are claiming the Avian Flu may kill a more than one billion people.

Here is a Map showing how wide spread the Avian Flu is in Asia, Russia and Europe. And this has happened just since April, 2005. Birds travel fast and they do not have to stop for border inspections.

Of course, we are talking about 'worse case scenarios.' But the U.S. economy is on shaky ground already. (Learn More?) Katrina will probably devastate the U.S. economy. Already, thousands are feared dead. But huge storms are moving northward today. They will cause massive flooding throughout the east. How much will gasoline, diesel and heating oil be selling for in a month? $ 3.50 a gallon or $ 4.00? Your guess is as good as mine. High diesel prices mean higher transport costs for all goods; which means higher shelf prices. What happens when independent truckers start demonstrating? National economic shock and or malaise?

But what do I know, anyway? Just a geezer living in Oregon.

13 posted on 08/31/2005 8:24:10 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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Been wondering about that. Got quite the petri dish for disease in general in the south right now.


14 posted on 08/31/2005 8:28:50 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: conservativecorner
An outbreak of Asian bird flu, which experts said yesterday is bound to hit the UK, could trigger an economic collapse similar to the Great Depression of the 1930s, two financial analysts warned yesterday.

The killer flu of 1915 caused the roaring '20. Wealth concentrated into fewer hands and prosperity was the consequence of that tragedy. Same thing with the black plague in Europe.

But I know this - these writers who are constantly trying to trash the economy with their wild gloom and doom stuff might succeed ... and that's sick.

15 posted on 08/31/2005 8:36:11 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Santiago de la Vega

Every where you look, "Doom and Gloom".


16 posted on 08/31/2005 9:33:36 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: redgolum; Perdogg
As Gump once said, "I don't make this Shi'ite up. It just happens." Economic impacts of Katrina are still being determined. But things are not rosy for La. and Miss.

New Orleans turns into chaotic hell as people have no electric power, run out of food and water and begin looting. Flooding turns the city into a massive cesspool. Mayor says those evacuated may have to stay away for 12 to 16 weeks

17 posted on 08/31/2005 1:03:18 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: conservativecorner; All

So what's the story? It's on the front burner on Fox today.


18 posted on 10/05/2005 10:07:56 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: All
Anyone out there listening to all the background noise on this?

BTTT!

19 posted on 10/06/2005 2:10:36 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: conservativecorner

This is getting right up there with the giant killer meteor strike--the ELE.


20 posted on 10/06/2005 2:13:48 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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