[Moral Hazard]

Looks like I need to be investing in aluminum and head wear companies.

[henderson field]

And the specific benefits of NAFTA have been...

[1rudeboy]

To think that all this time I thought of myself as a globalist, only to find out that I am a member of the Trinational Elite. Bummer.

[DumpsterDiver]

Thanks for posting this. I started reading this earlier today, but haven't had the time to finish it yet. It explains a lot about what is going on with regards to the border.

[DumpsterDiver]

ping

[hedgetrimmer]

You all might find this one interesting....

[hedgetrimmer]

Yet the successful integration of an impoverished Mexico into a North American space depends—according to Pastor—on the transfer of exorbitant amounts of cash, principally from the United States, similar to the transfers that Spain, Portugal, Greece, and Ireland received from the European Union when they joined.

"Free trade" is an enormous wealth redistribution system that transfers money out of the United States to the third world.

[hedgetrimmer]

This broadcast is happenging right now, if you can listen on the internet...

1st Hour- Guest: Dr. Steven Yates

Professor of Philosophy Steven Yates informs as to the real effect and purpose of global trade agreements including the recently enacted Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA). Dr Yates will explain how these phony “free trade’ agreements are designed to undermine national sovereignty, establish regionalism, feed the global governance monster and destroy the vision of the American experience.

9pm - 10pm Pacific

2nd Hour – Dr. David Abbott



British citizen and part time US resident David Abbott, describes how England is losing control over its own governance. England is quickly becoming regionalized under European Union authority. In the process Britons are losing control over land use decisions and domestic law making. Learn the history of how the European Union has used trade policy to destroy national sovereignty. This interview will assist in understanding the real purpose behind CAFTA, FTAA and the American process of regionalization.

http://www.freedom21santacruz.net/site/radio/

[Iscool]

I would not say that the Iraq war was created as a distraction to the American public for the underhandedness that is taking place in Washington, but it has certainly turned out to be a distraction...

I assume opening our borders and creating a North American State falls outside the scope of limitations put in place by our Constitution...

The Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of the Fed Gov are clearly united in this endeavor, including the muriad of alphabet police agencies and the numerous other appointed agencies...

And yet we have good, conservative Americans down in Texas at Bush's driveway hootin' and hollerin' in support for him...AND they know about this scheme...

[endthematrix]

Council Joins Leading Canadians and Mexicans to Launch Independent Task Force on the Future of North America
http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=7454

Task Force calls for North American bloc by 2010
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050314-060907-1435r.htm

[Tench_Coxe]

The proof of this would be in a push for firearms restrictions on American citizens.

[raybbr]

It is quite likely that Fox arrived in Washington ready for tradeoffs. In exchange for U.S. acceptance of more Mexican workers, Mexico would "seal" its own southern border, to detain and deport migrants from other regions, especially Central Americans, whose presence in the United States had skyrocketed since Hurricane Mitch devastated the region in 1998.

[JarheadFromFlorida]

To be renamed MexAmeriCan.

[swampfox98]

The trinational elites of the private sector will accrue greater benefits in this new space, but the American government and private sector will reap the greatest gains. The three countries will not be equal partners. As in the early 90s when NAFTA was negotiated, no pretense will be made now of taking into account the huge asymmetries between the United States and its smaller partners, likely leading to an erosion of sovereignty for Mexico and Canada.

This is a bunch of bull. Our politicians have been working hard to redistribute America's wealth to Mexico for years. Also, by taking half of Mexico into America and forcing the American workers to pay for the illegal's care, plus allowing illegals to take jobs away from Americans at half the wages and no benefits, has brought riches to the business class and helped the economic crisis in Mexico. This has all been done on the backs of the American workers, who are bearing the burden of establishing the North American Community for the elites.

By the time our politicians are finished with us, we will be as poor as the poorest Mexican before he came to America. It just amazes me that Fox has known all this for years, and has tried to tell the American public what is going on, and we still have the tin foil hat society going strong.

[Amalie]

Thanks for the post. This coming change, as much as I HATE to say this, appears irreversible. Frankly, I am not completely against it AS LONG AS the USA maintains its status as the leader and dictates most of the terms of the combination. Holding the entire continent (and kicking that little SOB out of Venezuela) against communism is not a bad idea...


Of course, the major problems about all of this are the free-for-all socialism policies of the US government(and socialism-lite that is part and parcel of the current Exec/Legi branches) coupled to similar policies already in place in these other governments. We cannot support the continent in the same way we are presently supporting our own culture (which is still likely to implode from the weight of these programs). Something will have to give to make this work; my hope is that it would be 'feel good' policies that benefit no one.
I may get flamed for this, fine...I just do not see there being any stop-gap for it, so let's do it on our terms. Statehood for Canada and Mexico, with representative government for all? Not as bad an idea as it sounds...

[Iscool]

bump

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

... The building of a new North American space is rapidly progressing, yet lacking civil society consultation and legislative oversight. By doing away with treaties or accords, the three chief executives are achieving deeper integration through NAFTA Plus by signing ?regulations,? thus foregoing the bother of seeing their plans bogged down in one of the legislatures....

This is treason.

[reelfoot]

Complete with "trinationalist" courts with Mexican and Canadian judges applying Mexican and Canadian law? Even freer movement of citizens of each country across the borders? Joint taxation?

No thanks, I'll pass. I like the national boundaries the way they're drawn now. I just wish we had a president and Congress that would enforce them.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

BTTT. I won't be able to read it all today. I think I'll put it in my links, however. I personally like the idea of greater freedom to travel and trade between us and Canada (I don't know about Mexico, however; that place is a mess, and I'm not sure free trade is the cause).

The thing is, though, it shouldn't be done behind everyone's back. Let the people decide through their Parliaments, Congress, referenda, Constitutional amendments if necessary, and so on. After all, just because it sounds neat to me doesn't mean it's right. Others may know stuff I don't know, and so on...

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

The idea is simple: to keep the United States from shutting its border with Canada, there should be no border. Canada would need to progressively take steps to “erase” the border by harmonizing its policies, laws, norms, procedures, techniques, methods, and, most importantly, intelligence and security measures to American standards. Above all, Canada would have to demonstrate to the United States that it was as “secure” in the face of external threats as the United States itself, in order for the latter to agree to “disappear” the border for trade traffic.

Oh, horse hockey. All we would need is intelligence-sharing and a bilateral perimeter security arrangement, as well as a bilateral treaty on getting rid of terrorists, illegals, and others who wish to do us harm. Then people could come and go to each other's countries as they please. No need to create "Amerida."