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2 Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court
NYTimes ^ | 8/19/05 | Andrew Pollack

Posted on 08/24/2005 1:42:12 PM PDT by One Proud Dad

Check this out.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; ancienthistory; illegalimmigrantion; immigrantlist
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To: conservative in nyc

Why on earth would a moderator update the title of a thread that's already been posted twice?


21 posted on 08/24/2005 2:16:20 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: One Proud Dad

I see this as good news. Anything that causes the outrage over illegal immigration to grow helps our cause.


22 posted on 08/24/2005 2:19:10 PM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

No, he didn't, it was judgement by default...read the last part of the article.


23 posted on 08/24/2005 2:22:13 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: untrained skeptic
Before someone gets upset by me referring to them as immigrants rather than illegal immigrants, I'm doing so because they are currently legally in the country until their request for asylum is processed.

I'm worried about the message this might send to other illegal immigrants, but it looks like justice was served in this particular case.

1. At the time of the incident they were not in the country legally. They entered illegally and are now trying to claim asylum status in order to have standing to receive their legal lottery windfall.

2. In no way was justice served, when a property owner can have his property extorted out of his hands via a civil suit. For roughing the ILLEGAL aliens up, justice would demand that he go to jail commensurate with the extent of the assault he committed. Under current laws, his possession of a gun was also a crime and he faces the penalty for that crime. But there is no way that a six-figure civil penalty should be justified and forcing the forfeiture of the ranch. This was not justice in any fashion.

24 posted on 08/24/2005 2:22:22 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: One Proud Dad

"2 illegal immigrants win Texas ranch in court"



Does anyone else taste something stale? I mean I am as against illegals as anyone else, but what is this story, a week old?


25 posted on 08/24/2005 2:23:58 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Ew. This tastes like a monkey. A monkey that's past his prime. "Chris Griffin")
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To: VRWCmember

Morris Dees is a scumbucket commie of the highest order. In 1982 the SPLC was needing a new phone system. They were in my account module. As their AT&T Account Executive I gave them the following advice. "Buy from Executone, I don't want your business". I kept waiting to get fired but it turns out that my Branch Manager told Morris that I was always right. I was also in the top 5 sales nationwide at AT&T so I had some wiggle room.


26 posted on 08/24/2005 2:29:36 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
From the article:

Mr. Nethercott and Mr. Foote did not defend themselves, so the judge issued default judgments of $850,000 against Mr. Nethercott and $500,000 against Mr. Foote. Mr. Dees said Mr. Foote appeared to have no substantial assets, but Mr. Nethercott had the ranch. Shortly after the judgment, Mr. Nethercott gave the land to his sister, Robin Albitz, of Prescott, Ariz. The Southern Poverty Law Center sued the siblings, saying the transfer was fraudulent and was meant to avoid the judgment. "

Another thread on this says that Nethercott could not respond because he was in jail at the time.

27 posted on 08/24/2005 2:32:31 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
No, he didn't, it was judgement by default...read the last part of the article.

According to the article, one defendant settled and two defaulted. The defendant who settled can't appeal; the ones who defaulted can appeal only on very narrow grounds (e.g., that they shouldn't have been held in default because they weren't properly notified of the suit). A default (if found by the court to have been proper) is, by definition, a waiver of the right to contest the suit.

29 posted on 08/24/2005 2:32:58 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: trubluolyguy

Like you, I'm as against illegal immigration as the next person, but on this story, I've smelled something funny from the beginning. And it's been posted and reposted on FR--what--8 times? But as for the story fishiness itself: First, I heard way back when this guy was busted that he was a "plant" to make the border security movement (Ranch Rescue, Minutemen, etc.) look bad and to sabotage it. Possibly even planted there by the govt. Second, what can one "ranch" on 70 acres? In Texas, 70 acres does not a "ranch" make. Retirement Ranchette? Yes. Ranch? Not so much.


30 posted on 08/24/2005 2:33:08 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: One Proud Dad

Moral of the story is you cannot own land in Arizona because anyone else who wants it gets it on whatever pretext.
This ought to be told to every senior who thinks of going there.


31 posted on 08/24/2005 2:33:42 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: One Proud Dad

One Proud Dad wrote: I searched on "Illegal Immigrants" and "Awarded" and got no hits


Try searching on "Bending over and grabbing ankles"


32 posted on 08/24/2005 2:35:41 PM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: UglyinLA

No _hit.


33 posted on 08/24/2005 2:44:25 PM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Again...Nethercott was in jail and therefore could not afford to respond to the suit. You don't get appointed an attorney in a civil suit.


34 posted on 08/24/2005 2:46:25 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
Again...Nethercott was in jail and therefore could not afford to respond to the suit. You don't get appointed an attorney in a civil suit.

Still not a ground to appeal. People in jail can represent themselves in civil suits and file legal papers; it happens all the time. Inmates even file lawsuits as plaintiffs. If Nethercutt was properly notified of the suit (even in jail) and he didn't respond, there's nothing an appellate lawyer can do for him.

36 posted on 08/24/2005 3:11:04 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: konaice

"OLD OLD OLD story."

So what it should be retold every day to remind us of the traitor we have in the White House who calls the minutemen vigilantes and the illegal aliens honest and hardworking.


37 posted on 08/24/2005 3:15:23 PM PDT by sasafras (Want to get rid of illegals then take away all the benefits and penalize employers who hire illegals)
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To: konaice

sss


38 posted on 08/24/2005 3:29:57 PM PDT by antti tuuri
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To: sasafras
So what it should be retold every day to remind us

Every day?

That would Kill FR in less than a week.

If your memory is so short you need things mentioned every day then you probably don't belong in FR, it is for thinking people.

39 posted on 08/24/2005 3:32:17 PM PDT by konaice
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To: UglyinLA

now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.


40 posted on 08/24/2005 3:34:17 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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