Yes'm. My bad. I'll try to remember 'em.
Posted on 08/24/2005 5:30:08 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
Hey! Beans in Chili is a good thing. Why do think they call them chili beans? Sheesh!
I also like elk or deer in my Chili....so I'm not a purist...!
I know. there are a lot of people who are Hispanics, who do NOT want this illegal alien thing going on. Mexico, and Mexicans still down there look at them as traitors to their cause because they have assimilated. They know that it is better up here, and want to preserve their way of life.
"Chili" should not have beans.
If it includes beans, it is done to extend the leftover chili, and it is "Chili-Beans" and ceases to be simply "Chili".
However, "Chili" can include any kind of meat that once breathed and walked, flew, slithered or crawled. That does not include tofu.
Them's the rules.
Why?
Because the "native-born" consider themselves AMERICANS. Period.
Yes'm. My bad. I'll try to remember 'em.
That, and a lot of the native-born end up with the illegals as neighbors. They have to deal directly with the consequences of our inability to control the borders.
Were Europeans invading our country, demanding drivers licenses, health care education, medication, etc, YES, we would all want them out the same.
The race card is old, used, tired, and does not work any more, Get over it. Illegal invaders who drop trash all over are pigs, period, whether they are Mexican or whatever. It just so happens that most of the illegals happen to be from the same country.
Just for full disclosure, Ronald Reagan signed full amnesty for illegal aliens in 1986(which President Bush is not supporting).
I consider Ronald Reagan the greatest President of the 20th century, but I do get miffed at your(Happy's) trying to make Ronald Reagan infallible for crass politcal points.
For the life of me, I cannot see why a police action is required for those presently here.
Most people accept and agree with you as to subtle, individual differences BUT you of "Hispanic heritage" should realize that the culture that is represented by most who are Hispanics is one that excludes other races, has a certain socialism involved ("we all help each other" which is what I hear routinely from Hispanics and yet, based upon all the need I see among Hispanics, looks like they aren't, in fact, "all helping each other" but only saying so).
I'm just saying, that Hispanics have brought this presumption on themselves. If you are going to be an American, then be an American but most Hispanics instead promote their Hispania before anything else, including the whole Spanish language thing (the United States isn't Spain), and impose a cultural imperative on others that excludes, overrides, others (the resetting of car radios to Spanish stations at car washes nationwide is hardly the act of rare Hispanic bandits, but it's a cultural statement is what it is).
Most others are not prejudiced so much as we are now generalists and Hispanics mostly seem more interested in lecturing everyone else about some aspect of Hispania than they are in conversing or even commisserating about shared, American troubles.
So, although what you write is accurate to a degree, you should also realize Hispanics have earned a degree of this type of social animosity and presumption based upon the fact that MOST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE HISPANIC.
If you want to change THAT culture, you could. I think it would be immensely helpful if Hispanic Americans, citizens and legal residents, would and could act on behalf of America and not on behalf of "Hispanic culture."
BUT, I do know factually that it is a shared cultural presumption BY HISPANICS that immigration to the U.S. is some sort of cultural "right" and there is little respect otherwise by many about immigration laws.
Mexico could begin instructing it's citizens that breaking the laws of other countries is bad behavior, the culture could begin to pick up on that fact and percolate that change throughout, but instead it seems that today, to be Hispanic is to be engaged in illegal behavior.
The only way to change that is to change the Hispanic culture. And, stop insisting on the Spanish language, as if imposing upon the land, because we are not going to become a Spanish language nation -- our first language is English and is going to remain English.
I'm saying here that Hispanics should try and understand the negative presumptions because Hispanics have certainly brought it upon themselves. Otherwise, change your fellows.
How's it going Dane? You going to that concert this weekend?
"And I don't believe they ever factored in the growing wave from South America."Yes, they did. That and more.=========================
"I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship. Granting amnesty encourages violation of our laws and perpetuates illegal immigration. America is a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America."
– President G.W. Bush, Jan. 7, 2004
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The U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement Closer To Going Before Congress
Got any recipes?
Further, there is no winking at each other and saying "we help each other out" pattern as there is among graduates of my alma mater, or as my friend does with sorority sisters, for instance. To my knowledge, there isn't even a "hispanic ping list" on FR.
Perhaps I'm an anomally, or perhaps the hispanics you're around are anomalies. Who knows? (to me, it sounds like you're around a lot of 1st generation hispanics).
Among 3rd generation hispanics or more, there really is no "hispanic culture" as the dominant thing in their lives anymore to speak of. i.e., You're going to run into some hispanics that like rap music, some that like country, some that like Tejano. You're going to run into some that are into football and some that are into baseball; some that drive trucks and some that drive economy cars; some conservative and some liberal; some that like Ginger and some that like Mary Ann--just like everyone else here in America.
Sure, my FR name is "hispanarepublicana"....but that's a dig at the DUers and liberals who, at the time of my FR registration, didn't think there were hispanic conservatives. (By the way, the "republicana" part refers as much to my family having been here at the time of the Republic of Texas as it does to my being Republican). If I were of German descent, I'd have probably called myself HowFrauBrownCow or some other witty thing. (one FR name for sale; new in box; never been used) But, to do so would have been paying tribute to my ancestors' origins and not "throwing my ethnicity" in someone's face. There's probably a FReeper registered named Irish Eyes, but to me, that's okay too.
Actually, the best green chili, IMO, is with pork. I'll hunt a recipe.
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I've heard that dictum from more Hispanics than I care to mention and I now just turn away when it begins because it's patently exaggeration, even for hyperbole, but it's never been said to me by anyone who was NOT Hispanic, let me put it that way. I'm willing to believe that this is something that some/many Hispanics reserve for the "lecture to the white people" moments, since I'm not Hispanic but I've heard this from more than a congregation of Hispanics in my adult lifetime. If you haven't (heard that) as a Hispanic, then I'm sure it's something that is inherent to the "lecture the white people" moments. I live in CA, and CO and have lived for a long time in both and in Hawaii. I've found that the Hispanics in all those/these states are all of Central American origin, very, very few born in the U.S., many raised here by illegal immigrant parents most of whom received amnesty in CA when that occured here a decade or so ago. Those in CO are almost all expressly newly arrived from Mexico. All of them have that same characteristic about their "culture" and I've found it consistently shared in all the states (and regions) I've lived in that had, all three, a lot of newly/relatively newly arrived Hispanics. When I grew up in CO, and even earlier when I first lived and worked in CA, there were no Hispanics and that wasn't too long ago. My point is that the massive changes in the population in the U.S. is due to the influx of Hispanics here and most of America can recall a time here when things were very different. The many social and economic and even practical problems that now exist can be, very closely to accurately, levied against Hispanics and the "culture" that they insist on proliferating here, and yet resist abandoning after arriving here. Just saying that you should not be surprised to encounter resentments, because many of them are accurately assessed.
This is an agreement with Mexico but is also the way it's done with euro-countries. THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS the illegal aspect ... which now of course covers illegals from everywhere. But as far as immigration goes, illegal Mexicans, as huge a wave as they have been and continue to be, are a drop in the bucket! Riding the back of the wave are Peruvians, Bolivians, Dominicans, Salvadorans, etc. etc. Not to mention the 900-pound gorilla of immigration, Brazil.
That's why the borders have to be secured (1) and (2)the immigration "reform" policy so wonderfully initiated by one Ted Kennedy in 1965, must be revisited. Fast!
If anyone needs another reason, it is that our Muslim friends are using this as cover.
Here in central California, the hispanic population has always been larger than the rest of the country and I've always had a lot of hispanic friends and neighbors. Trust me, if you REALLY want to hear somebody go off on the illegals, get a group of lifelong Mexican-American citizens together, get them drinking, and bring up the subject of illegal immigration. These guys HATE the illegals and have advocated everything from machine-gun nests to minefields to keep the illegals out.
Their reasoning is simple enough. Their families have lived here for generations working the regions farms and food processing factories, and they traditionally made a decent living at it...even workers on the tomato processing lines made enough to afford a house if they managed their money wisely. If they were dedicated and hard workers, they could even transition into one of the other trades and start making real money in carpentry or welding.
Today the illegals control the fields and the food processing factories, most making far below minimum wage, and they have eliminated the ability for honest citizens to make a living in those areas. Ditto with most of the trades around here. A decade ago a carpenter building homes could make $35k-$45k a year if he worked hard and didn't goof off, but today that wage is down to around $20k...completely unliveable in this part of the country.
This post would get deleted if I posted even a fraction of the names these guys call illegals, but it should suffice to say that they DO NOT like them.
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