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Don't assume U.S. Hispanics are soft on immigration
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Posted on 08/24/2005 5:30:08 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

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1 posted on 08/24/2005 5:30:09 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
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Not here in New Mexico. The old families have been here for 300+ years and don't like anyone who's showed up since 1847, no matter where they come from.


2 posted on 08/24/2005 5:31:43 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; Pro-Bush; ...
Good editorial.

IMHO American Hispanics fully understand that their way of life if directly threatened by the illegal alien invasion from Mexico.

More of them need to speak out on the subject . .

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But for those familiar with U.S.-born Hispanics, the results of polls and surveys will come as no surprise.

This is a community that doesn't take lightly matters of law and order or condone the fact that there are those who break the rules while others follow them.

And it is full of people who have been known to, on occasion, resent those who — once they get here — defiantly, or lazily, refuse to assimilate by learning English and blending into the mainstream the way their parents and grandparents did.


3 posted on 08/24/2005 5:34:11 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

It's like that for us spanish folks in Florida too. We've been here for 100 years. We just don't like lawbreakers.


4 posted on 08/24/2005 5:34:37 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Fairtax.org)
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To: Happy2BMe

If they don't like illegal immigration, then why do they keep electing politicians who support it?


5 posted on 08/24/2005 5:46:08 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
#5 - who is the majority party right now? President?

The illegal invasion has EXPLODED just in the past five years.

6 posted on 08/24/2005 5:50:01 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with prejudice of any kind.

A nation must secure its borders. Is there anything hard to understand about that?


7 posted on 08/24/2005 5:51:08 AM PDT by RoadTest (For Heaven's Sake)
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To: RoadTest
To say there is not racial prejudice is naive.

There is racial prejudice - that is the nature of man and there is nothing that politics will ever do to correct that.

There is racial prejudice in every movement. LULAC has it. CAIR has it. The ACLU has it. The NAACP has it and of course the KKK has it.

It is wrong. Period.

Racial profiling is wrong also. There is as much racial profiling against the members of the MinuteMan Project for example as any other activist group.

However, the MMP is racially diverse with concerned Americans from every ethnic group in the country actively involved.

That is the difference.

8 posted on 08/24/2005 5:59:52 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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Sure there's a lot of prejudice, but that still doesn't have anything to do with what I said and that is: "A nation must secure its borders."


9 posted on 08/24/2005 6:02:19 AM PDT by RoadTest (For Heaven's Sake)
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To: RoadTest
A nation without borders is not a nation." - Ronald Reagan

" Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free" -- Ronald Reagan

10 posted on 08/24/2005 6:12:44 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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What you say about those of "Hispanic" heritage in the American Community certainly rings true. Of course, New Mexicans whose families pre-date the Pilgrims value their heritage and are threatened by newcomers.

In fact, those values may well be the key to Karl Rove's incredibly cynical policy on illegal immigration. I believe he reasons that given the some of the transnational commonalities of "Latin Culture," latinos will become the Republicans of the Future. He also reasons that these huge numbers are illegal now, but of course, will be less so in the following generations.

Where I think Karl and the GOP are way off-base is that they never, NEVER, saw this occurring in a wave of immigration so massive it dwarfs all others that came before it. They were thinking "Italian," 3-4 million folks ...not Mexican, with 30 million, or god help us Brazilian, with enough people to truly swamp us. And I don't believe they ever factored in the growing wave from South America.

THe GOP bent the law to gain a future advantage, and now it's springing back to hurt them badly.

11 posted on 08/24/2005 6:21:30 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (If the world were ruled by logic, men would ride sidesaddle.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Not here in New Mexico. The old families have been here for 300+ years and don't like anyone who's showed up since 1847, no matter where they come from.

I resemble that remark. And, they're still coming! Bringing things like beans in their chili, tofu, etc., it's an outrage!!!

12 posted on 08/24/2005 6:29:11 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: Happy2BMe
For one thing, those left-leaning Hispanic advocacy groups only confuse things when they try to speak about an issue on which they don't speak for the majority of Hispanics.

bttt

13 posted on 08/24/2005 6:31:02 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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I'm just here for the green chili! ;)


14 posted on 08/24/2005 6:34:37 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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I'm just here for the green chili! ;)

Just don't contaminate it with Northern Beans or Navy Beans or any kind of beans, and we'll be fine.

15 posted on 08/24/2005 6:35:40 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: Brilliant
If they don't like illegal immigration, then why do they keep electing politicians who support it?

Where I live, the Hispanic leaders and business groups have endorsed Republican candidates in all political races except perhaps a few local ones. Generally, if exit polling were done on "3rd generation and back Hispanics" versus "2nd generation and newer Hispanics", you'd see a world of difference. (They're not really even the same group, culturally, IMO). That's the point of the article.

16 posted on 08/24/2005 6:40:44 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: hispanarepublicana

Voting GOP is not necessarily voting against illegal immigration, though. I am sure that there are candidates out their who would be willing to stop illegal immigration if a majority would support doing so. But for some reason, those guys never get elected.


17 posted on 08/24/2005 6:43:04 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Unfortunately, you're right. But I just wanted to be sure you knew that the hispanics to whom I'm referring aren't necessarilly casting their votes based on who is more "friendly" to illegal immigration. They, like much of America have been casting their votes based on who is more friendly to dry cleaners (if that's the business they're in) or farmers (if that's the business they're in) or the unborn (if that's their chief concern), etc.


18 posted on 08/24/2005 6:53:54 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: Happy2BMe

I think only an ignoramus would claim there is no prejudice toward Hispanics because of this problem. There is. But I also believe that most real Americans believe our borders ought to be secured -- period. There is no excuse for what is going on. If people, from anywhere, want to come here to work or visit, that is fine, but at least we ought to know who they are, where they are, and that they leave when it is their time to leave. Why the politicians don't understand this, I'll never know.


19 posted on 08/24/2005 7:25:10 AM PDT by RichardW
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Good editorial...worth the read and remembering.

20 posted on 08/24/2005 7:58:13 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ Plug the Dike, Drain the Swamp ~)
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