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IBM Woos the World's Geeks
REDHERRING ^ | August 22, 2005

Posted on 08/23/2005 4:10:05 PM PDT by Golden Eagle

IBM Woos the World's Geeks - Big Blue will let software developers in Brazil, Russia, India, and China use company products for free.

IBM announced an initiative Monday to encourage developers in emerging economies to work on the computing giant’s open standards technology, a computing framework for which hardware and software specifications are publicly available.

As part of the initiative, the Armonk, New York-based company said that for the first time, developers in Brazil, Russia, India, China—popularly known as BRIC countries—will get instant access to IBM’s hardware and software portfolio from their desktop at no charge.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apple; brassbuzzard; china; computerwars; goldendodo; himom; ibm; linux; microsoft; msibmfeud; opensource; troll; zot; zotdabuzzard
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To: N3WBI3
All I know is Ill sleep better tonight knowing bill gates pocket is that much fatter after having sold away the secrecy of 97% of his source code..

Obvious sarcasm, since you'd prefer he just gave it all away for free.

121 posted on 08/24/2005 5:26:31 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: softwarecreator
I notice you left out this part.. could have anything to do with the fact the companies have two different business models right?

IBM is trying to seel iron, period...

122 posted on 08/24/2005 5:37:28 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3

How do you seel iron? One of IBM's patents? Can I have it for free?


123 posted on 08/24/2005 5:38:44 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: N3WBI3
IBM is trying to seel iron, period...

What does this mean?

And I don't really concern myself with different business models.  Doesn't matter, they are doing something that I, and others, object to.

Linux and MS are different business models too, yet people insist on comparing the two.

Christians and Islams have 2 different business models, does that make Islam right?

124 posted on 08/24/2005 5:49:49 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: Golden Eagle
How do you seel iron? One of IBM's patents? Can I have it for free?

Sure, if you reside outside of America, otherwise you pay.

125 posted on 08/24/2005 5:51:02 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator

Good line, too bad it seems true. IBM wants us all to move to what they call BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China) if we want a job.

Those arrogant Americans, you'd think they invented software or something. /SARCASM


126 posted on 08/24/2005 6:03:25 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
IBM wants us all to move to what they call BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China) if we want a job.

Well lucky for us, that evil satanic company, Microsoft, does not have this policy.  I don't think I would do too well in Russia.

127 posted on 08/24/2005 6:19:29 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: N3WBI3; MikeinIraq
Two more post and I would have won, I gave him too much credit... Lets start up the next round..

Cool by me. I'm in for $20 again. Mike? Same amount?

128 posted on 08/24/2005 6:49:09 AM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: softwarecreator
Well lucky for us, that evil satanic company, Microsoft, does not have this policy. I don't think I would do too well in Russia.

Thank goodness Microsoft would never sell out american software designers by outsourcing its jobs to russia

Too bad youll have to learn hindi.. Or we could talk about their beijing campus...

129 posted on 08/24/2005 6:55:09 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Prime Choice

Ill PM you how many post it will take him..


130 posted on 08/24/2005 6:55:43 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
So the person who wrote: "Actually write as fast as you want, just dont change topics to avoid discussion.." is doing just that.
131 posted on 08/24/2005 8:01:35 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator
Responding to your post saying "Microsoft, does not have this policy. I don't think I would do too well in Russia."

I posted links showing they are outsourcing, and thats supposedly off topic? dream on chuckles..

132 posted on 08/24/2005 8:05:00 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
You are off topic, we were not talking about outsourcing jobs.  GE was saying that given a chance, IBM would want us all to live in the BRIC.  Never was outsourcing mentioned.  I would imagine that at this time, there are few major corporations who do not outsource.  We are talking about 2 different things.
133 posted on 08/24/2005 8:26:03 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: N3WBI3
I posted links showing they are outsourcing

Again, I ask you, oh great switcher of topics, WHERE is yur proof that MS is giving FREE software to foreign countries that they won't give to Americans?

This is what, the 4th or 5th time you've avoided this subject?

134 posted on 08/24/2005 8:33:33 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator
GE was saying that given a chance, IBM would want us all to live in the BRIC.

Read his comment "Good line, too bad it seems true. IBM wants us all to move to what they call BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China) if we want a job.

Actually GE *and you* both have continued to ignore the fact IBM is doing what it is doing so it can sell servers, mainframe on the hardware side and global services consulting on the other. You both continue to imply that they are giving these nations software either to hurt the US industry, or because they are some sort of communist. I asked you *twice* about the different business models of IBM and MS and neither time did you even bother to reply..

Lets follow...

GE: Isn't the trade imbalance with these countries large enough already, without us giving them advanced technology completely for free now? I bet these givaways won't even be counted.

SWC: So when does the IBM boycott begin??

GE: Ours began some time ago. I suggest you start yours if you haven't already.

SWC: Agreed. This is the slap-in-the-face to the US tactics that pi$$ me off.

N3W: LOL, IBM gives code for business reasons... "booo evil IBM"... MS gives code for business reasons in response... "yay MS doing what they can to keep an American company in business"

Note above I am making a point that in youre little exchange with GE youre deamonizeing IBM for doing something thats in their business interest "This is the slap-in-the-face to the US tactics that pi$$ me off" so I point out that IBM and MS are doing what they do for business reasons and their is duplicity in the way GE treats it. Lets Continue:

SWC: Can you please provide an example of where I praised MS for giving software away for free to foreign companies?

(Maybe I should have said, "of course MS had to give away code for business needs instead of yay") My point was you're excusing one and calling the other anti american. Lets Continue:

N3W: Or are you saying that we should boycoot MS because "Agreed. This is the slap-in-the-face to the US tactics that pi$$ me off."

Here I bring it back to what you said, that if we should boycott IBM because of its practices why not MS?

SWC: And again, please show me where MS is giving software away for free to foreign governments. If they are, I would seriously consider it.

Good point, I want to address why this is not a cut and dry issue

N3W: Youre right MS sold code to Chinese communist, and IBM gave it... I guess it must be because IBM hates American and bill gates gets puppy dog eyes every time he sees an American flag. I mean its not like it could have anything to do with the fact the companies have two different business models right?

This is me pointing out the first time that there are different business models (software vs Hardware/Service) to think about before saying "This is the slap-in-the-face to the US tactics that pi$$ me off."

SWC: If you cannot see the difference between selling your product in an open global market and giving away freebies to a foreign company, that you won't for Americans, then I guess the argument is moot.

Ignoring IBM is trying to sell hardware and services here, you quote everything in my post except "I mean its not like it could have anything to do with the fact the companies have two different business models right?"

N3W: I notice you left out this part.. could have anything to do with the fact the companies have two different business models right? IBM is trying to sell iron, period...

This is your second chance to address this, lets see what you do

SWC: And I don't really concern myself with different business models. Doesn't matter, they are doing something that I, and others, object to.

Of course why would you, just like you consider Linux to have pitiful market penetration because you ignore the more that 20% market share it has in other places you choose the easiest way to paint someone as "bad" and someone as "good"

Now in response to my "I notice you left out this part.. could have anything to do with the fact the companies have two different business models right? IBM is trying to sell iron, period..." GE ask

GE: How do you seel iron? One of IBM's patents? Can I have it for free?

SWC: How do you seel iron? One of IBM's patents? Can I have it for free?

Note: Please show me where IBM is en mas giving away hardware to foreign nations...

GE: Good line, too bad it seems true. IBM wants us all to move to what they call BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China) if we want a job.

SWC: Well lucky for us, that evil satanic company, Microsoft, does not have this policy. I don't think I would do too well in Russia.

You brought it back around to (I thought) Jobs in the US (notice GE said "if we want a job"

To which I point out MS is busy itself starting to outsource work and build very large campuses in Chine...

135 posted on 08/24/2005 8:55:15 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: softwarecreator
I addressed that when I said

"Youre right MS sold code to Chinese communist, and IBM gave it... I guess it must be because IBM hates American and bill gates gets puppy dog eyes every time he sees an American flag. I mean its not like it could have anything to do with the fact the companies have two different business models right? I guess you were so busy ignoring the "I mean its not like it could have anything to do with the fact the companies have two different business models right?" You missed some otehr stuff..

BTW I never said MS gave it for Free I said MS provided soruce code to the chi coms that My American company does not have access to..

136 posted on 08/24/2005 8:59:17 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
BTW I never said MS gave it for Free I said MS provided soruce code to the chi coms that My American company does not have access to..

By clearing up security issues for China this could be worth potentially billions to Microsoft.  Is your company worth billions to Microsoft?  Thought not.  And let's really try to get it straight, they are not giving away secrets, they are allowing them to view specific pieces for security issues.   No matter how much you try to twist this around, it's not going to come out the way you want it to.  Sorry, chuckles, but that's the way it is.

137 posted on 08/24/2005 9:43:26 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: N3WBI3
Nice long post.  But it doesn't change things.  You could write "War and peace", if it'll fit here, and the point is still not on target.
138 posted on 08/24/2005 9:46:09 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator; MikeinIraq
By clearing up security issues for China this could be worth potentially billions to Microsoft. Is your company worth billions to Microsoft? Thought not.

Microsfot where large quantities of chinese money are worth more to us than American Business... But dont use opensource because people can download that for free and that would hurt... ummmm American Business

And let's really try to get it straight, they are not giving away secrets, they are allowing them to view specific pieces for security issues.

97% does not equal pieces, the 3% the dont see are pieces..

139 posted on 08/24/2005 10:06:47 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: softwarecreator
GE said IBM wants American jobs to move to Russia, China, Brazil, and India... you backed him on that and praised MS (who outsources)... keep dodging..
140 posted on 08/24/2005 10:07:45 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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