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Old Line FDR Democrat Wants More Force (Zell Miller Democrat Says It Time To Win In Iraq Alert)
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | 08/22/05 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 08/22/2005 3:25:19 PM PDT by goldstategop

RUSH: Frank in Parkville, Maryland, nice to have you on the program, sir. Welcome.

CALLER: Thank you. Rush, I'm a liberal Democrat, and I disagree with Chuck Hagel. I listened to him yesterday on the talk show, and I think he's totally wrong about pulling out or even setting timetables. Now, I didn't agree about going into Iraq. I thought it was all phony, but we're there. We "broke it," and as General Powell said, we gotta fix it. It's ours. We own it. So the only way to do it with honor is to seal the borders of Iraq with Syria and Iran, to stop the insurgents from coming from Saudi Arabia, and the only way to do that is -- all the generals have said, is -- overwhelming force.

RUSH: Well --

CALLER: And in order to do overwhelming force we have to about double the troops, and if President Bush would do what President Roosevelt did -- bite the bullet and put the draft in temporarily -- and that's the only way with a lot of men, are you going to be able to enforce the borders there and protect us in case we have to do something with China or Iran.

RUSH: Frank --

CALLER: You need a lot of troops and you're not going to get them by volunteers.

RUSH: Frank, I love you, and you know why I love you? You're an FDR Democrat, right?

CALLER: True. I'm almost 80 years old.

RUSH: Yeah, I can tell. You're one of these old-line Democrats. You understand the use of force and you understand that it works, and you understand that that's how victory is achieved. You are unique, at least in my conversations with liberal Democrats.

CALLER: Well, having said that, Rush, don't you believe, as all the former generals are saying -- once they get out they speak what I think is the truth -- that we need overwhelming force not only to seal the borders, but when we clear out the insurgents in Baghdad or Fallujah --

RUSH: Frank, I have to --

CALLER: The insurgents come right back.

RUSH: However you would define "overwhelming force" in this day and age, I think there are a lot of people in this country that wish we were using more. I think, in fact, to the extent that Bush's numbers on -- his approval numbers on -- the conduct of war in Iraq are down, I think it's not because of the Sheehan-type protests out there. I think it's because of there are a lot of people like you that are fed up. You don't think we are using our full potential, our full arsenal to just shut it down. It's like, "Okay, we've got some terrorist camps in Syria? Is that where they're coming from? Fine. Let's bomb them. We've got precision weapons that can hit them. Why not use them?" There are a lot of people with this kind of attitude. I'm glad you called, Frank. I love you.


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hagel; iraq; letswin; oif; rush; rushlimbaugh; talkradio; transcript; zellmillerdemocrat
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To: DCPatriot

Rush politely listened, and then congratulated him for understanding and backing the need for force.

The caller mentioned the draft twice. Given that the caller was in his 80's, I think Rush handled it just right when he focused on the things they agreed on, and ignored the part about the draft. I think it would have been different if the caller had been younger.


21 posted on 08/22/2005 4:21:07 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
I heard the call. I think a large part of the callers purpose was to push the draft idea.

To bad Miller fell for this trap. Note only the Democrats what the draft as a political weapon to insure we lose the war in Iraq.

22 posted on 08/22/2005 4:25:06 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: DC Bound

That's why Bush need to openly tell the public,that on such and such date,terrorists were trying to


,and it was stopped because of
,now it is time to do what is needed to end this danger.The public would surely support him.


23 posted on 08/22/2005 4:34:18 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: goldstategop

These days winning wars comes second to making sure they're fought in a politically correct manner. We need to quit trying "pacification" - it didn't work in VietNam and it won't work in Iraq. Brute force is all they understand, so let's give it to them!


24 posted on 08/22/2005 4:44:01 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty
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To: Paul C. Jesup
To bad Miller fell for this trap.

Huh? It wasn't Zell Miller on the phone, if that's what you are thinking. I don't remember the callers name, but it definately wasn't Zell.

25 posted on 08/22/2005 4:57:58 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Sorry, I misunderstood your previous post.


26 posted on 08/22/2005 4:59:55 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Balding_Eagle
His name was Frank. I said he was a Zell Miller Democrat since he cares about this country and wants to see us kick ass. That's rare for liberals. Like I said, there are fewer and fewer of them around. He was a breath of fresh air compared to the Michael Moore-Jihad Cindy Sheehan kooks around who hate their country and think it deserves to be punished for its real and imagined sins.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
27 posted on 08/22/2005 5:00:41 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I'm for the draft and service to our country.

American started down when the draft went away.

The military service made men out of a lot of hellions.


28 posted on 08/22/2005 5:00:54 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: TheBattman; Cobra64
We are in a war. That means, us or them, to the death. We defeated the Nazis by wiping them out. The same for Japanese militarism. The only way we can defeat our present foe is to utterly destroy islam! Sadly, our leadership, both Rep. and Dem. are not cognoscente of this.
29 posted on 08/22/2005 5:22:19 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Rabid Dog

Check out 3 above.


30 posted on 08/22/2005 5:28:39 PM PDT by Snapping Turtle (Snap on and don't let go!)
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To: goldstategop

FYI..MIller was on Fox today..he al but flat-out said that Hagel was an idiot...


31 posted on 08/22/2005 5:41:07 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: OKIEDOC
The military service made men out of a lot of hellions.

Very true.

The problem with the draft is that it has become about a 98% political issue. There is no way a Republican could institute a draft without the Rats raising hell for the next decade. The Republicans would pay a big price.

The draft was also a key reason why the Rats were able to defeat the Military in Vietnam.

It could be argued the draft cost 2 million Cambodians their lives.

32 posted on 08/22/2005 5:53:30 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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