Posted on 08/22/2005 3:25:19 PM PDT by goldstategop
RUSH: Frank in Parkville, Maryland, nice to have you on the program, sir. Welcome.
CALLER: Thank you. Rush, I'm a liberal Democrat, and I disagree with Chuck Hagel. I listened to him yesterday on the talk show, and I think he's totally wrong about pulling out or even setting timetables. Now, I didn't agree about going into Iraq. I thought it was all phony, but we're there. We "broke it," and as General Powell said, we gotta fix it. It's ours. We own it. So the only way to do it with honor is to seal the borders of Iraq with Syria and Iran, to stop the insurgents from coming from Saudi Arabia, and the only way to do that is -- all the generals have said, is -- overwhelming force.
RUSH: Well --
CALLER: And in order to do overwhelming force we have to about double the troops, and if President Bush would do what President Roosevelt did -- bite the bullet and put the draft in temporarily -- and that's the only way with a lot of men, are you going to be able to enforce the borders there and protect us in case we have to do something with China or Iran.
RUSH: Frank --
CALLER: You need a lot of troops and you're not going to get them by volunteers.
RUSH: Frank, I love you, and you know why I love you? You're an FDR Democrat, right?
CALLER: True. I'm almost 80 years old.
RUSH: Yeah, I can tell. You're one of these old-line Democrats. You understand the use of force and you understand that it works, and you understand that that's how victory is achieved. You are unique, at least in my conversations with liberal Democrats.
CALLER: Well, having said that, Rush, don't you believe, as all the former generals are saying -- once they get out they speak what I think is the truth -- that we need overwhelming force not only to seal the borders, but when we clear out the insurgents in Baghdad or Fallujah --
RUSH: Frank, I have to --
CALLER: The insurgents come right back.
RUSH: However you would define "overwhelming force" in this day and age, I think there are a lot of people in this country that wish we were using more. I think, in fact, to the extent that Bush's numbers on -- his approval numbers on -- the conduct of war in Iraq are down, I think it's not because of the Sheehan-type protests out there. I think it's because of there are a lot of people like you that are fed up. You don't think we are using our full potential, our full arsenal to just shut it down. It's like, "Okay, we've got some terrorist camps in Syria? Is that where they're coming from? Fine. Let's bomb them. We've got precision weapons that can hit them. Why not use them?" There are a lot of people with this kind of attitude. I'm glad you called, Frank. I love you.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
What a brilliant, detailed plan...... very helpful advice, I'm sure our generals will appreciate it.
The leadership of this country has not fought a war with sufficient brutality since 1945!
Get the fake news media and the politics out of the way and let the military do their job. Nuff said.
I heard the call. I think a large part of the callers purpose was to push the draft idea.
Rush had a caller a few days ago that voiced a similar concern; he said that he supported the war, but only until it became apparent we don't have the political will to win it decisively and quickly. Rush speculated with the caller that a large number of the people who are polling as against the war merely wish we would fight it more aggressively.
Count me in!
Gotta admit, your use of "Zell Miller" in title is like finding out Angelina Jolle wears falsies.
A big concern appears to be that the terrorists are being allowed privileged sanctuaries in neighboring states like Syria, Iran, Saudi, etc. in which to stage their raids, rest and recoup. If this situation persists then it will quickly exasperate public support for what will be seen as an endless shooting gallery or lethal game of whack a mole.
Rush is too smart by half to fall for that. Or did he try to get Rush to agree on that point?
Me too!!
I have to agree in saying let's cut to the chase and quit trying to fight a "nice" war. I think we need to go kick some serious A and be done with it. IMHO the Islamofascists will understand that and get the point alot quicker than this piecemeal poke and jab stuff.
I agree. The "draft" idea is poison.
Having more soldiers on the ground might help win final victory, or it might just put more targets in harm's way.
I think we should avoid the draft at all costs. I am way over draft age, so it is not self-interest. If we have to increase numbers, then raise pay.
Do we see News out of Saudi Arabia on our LSM (lame stream media)?
No, not unless they kill some terrorists.
Why is that?
Because they do NOT allow foreign press to operate within their borders. The same goes in Kuwait, and Syria. If only Iraq would say, "No foreign press; all press must go through official Iraqi government liaisons, or the US Command.
End of problem! Then we might, and I reiterate "might" actually see some "Ernie Pyle" type of reporting. On second thought, there probably are no “real” reporters left...
LLS
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
Agreed. Why are we sitting on our hands? I think W is losing his nerve. And, sadly it will take another terrorist tragedy in America to jump-start our resolve in achieving our objective. The rest of the world is hiding under the covers... waiting for more bombings. (shaking head in disbelief).
My view on it is a lot like the 80 year old man who called Rush. And I would add that a lot of the reason our nation doesn't act like a nation at war is because the Bush administration has consistently done two things: it has allowed politics to interfere with fighting (remember Falluja) and it has backed off its tough talk from 9/12. Iran, North Korea, Syria, Saudi Arabia--four years later, they are still absolutely free to plot evil against us. If George Bush believed we were in a war for our survival, we would be cleaning house in these various countries. The sad truth, though, is that we won't until they start cutting off kids heads in school screaming allah akhbar.
When our men and leaders in the field work and fight under the constant threat of being portrayed for their actions as vicious animals by the media and world - and thus then brought up on major charges of anything from cruelty to war crimes......
IF the media and leftist world had the same ideals back durring WWII, we would STILL be fighting that war today (if we had ever joined in in the first place....).
I have generally been supportive of GW's handling of the War and have been quite vocal about that. But my mind has been changing. I don't want to second guess those in charge - but the word from those I know who have been returning from Iraq is that they still feel restrained.
The foe we face does NOT understand the limp-writed approach - that's why we are there in the first place. Remember the threats of "shock-and-awe"? It never materialized.
Our enemy learns by fighting us in Iraq. Those that survive to fight another day may very well face our troops in another venue in the future - and they will know the score. They will know the limits our people have and will take advantage of those limits (much as they are doing now).
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