It took us over 10 years before we got ours right and we are still trying to tweak it.
P.S. I have been to Saudi twice and in Bosnia. I have seen Islam up close and personal and I hope Iraq goes the way of Iran.
Posted on 08/22/2005 5:13:37 AM PDT by thorlock
I am an independent and have become uneasy about what is happening in Iraq. The constitutional crises now going on is pitting the various factions against each other. What bothers me the most, however, is the fact that Iraq is on it's way to becoming a country ruled by islamofacists. I realize this was not our goal, but the reality is our policy there has created a situation that does exactly the opposite of what we wanted.
How does this benefit the US?
It took us over 10 years before we got ours right and we are still trying to tweak it.
P.S. I have been to Saudi twice and in Bosnia. I have seen Islam up close and personal and I hope Iraq goes the way of Iran.
I hope Iraq does not goes the way of Iran.
%^$%$ Mondays!
You are full of crap if you think concern over a Islamic Republic being installed in Iraq denotes a "Saddam/Hate Bush type".
Japan is a Demoracy. When we defeated them we imposed a constitution on them. We should do the same in Iraq if there is any hint of Islamic Sharia written into the Iraqi Constitution.
The Japanese were way more civilized than the Sunnis and Shias.
Yes, it is a democracy. I believe I posted this before.
So what? If they elect islamofacists to run their country how does this benefit us?
How is this a good outcome to the war in Iraq and/or the war on terror?
And if it isn't, which I believe, is there anything to be done about it?
All the more reason for the imposition of our will.
I worried about that as well.
Welcome to FR!!
Ignore those wanting to zot. It's a slow news day. And most of them are really great folks.
You bring up a good question.
Nonsense. The Constitution looks like Egypt's , and is not a template for a theocracy. Shiites are 60 % of Iraq and less than half of them want a theocracy. No Sunni is going to accept a Shiite theocracy. It just aint gonna happen.
My best guess is you're a troll shill disinformation punk. Am I close?
Hey!! MoJo ain't on the list. Why is that? Huh? Huh? Well?
Add me please!! Thanks!
Is the egyptian constitution premised on islamic religion? Is egypt extremely chummy with Iran?
Thank you. I can now move forward in my day. I wasn't moving until I got on the list.
Hehe!
CAIRO (AP) — The framers of Iraq's constitution appear likely to enshrine Islam as the main basis of law in the country — a stronger role than the United States had hoped for and one some Iraqis fear will mean a more fundamentalist regime.
Arab constitutions vary widely over the role of Islamic law, ranging from Lebanon, where the word "Islam" never appears, to Saudi Arabia, which says the Quran itself is its constitution.
Culture weighs far more heavily than the constitution and law, particularly when it comes to women. In Gulf nations — where the constitutions spell out a slightly lesser role for Islamic law, or Sharia, than in Egypt — women are more segregated and wear more conservative veils covering the entire face.
Kuwait, for example, bans alcohol and only gave women the right to vote this year, in contrast to Egypt, where beer, wine and liquor are sold openly and women have been voting since the early 20th century.
Yet most Gulf nations' constitutions state that Sharia is "a main source" of legislation, while Egypt takes the more definitive phrasing of "the source" — a fine distinction taking on major importance in Iraq.
Former Egyptian President Anwar Sadat amended the constitution during the 1970s, changing the language from "a source" to "the source" to beef up his Islamic credentials rather than to start implementing Sharia.
But in Iraq, some fear the Shiite Muslim leaders who want similar wording in Iraq's constitution hope to lay the groundwork for a more fundamentalist rule, at least in Shiite-dominated areas.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-07-30-iraqconstitution_x.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
ARTICLE 2 . The Republic of Turkey is a democratic, secular and social state governed by the rule of law; bearing in mind the concepts of public peace, national solidarity and justice; respecting human rights; loyal to the nationalism of Atatürk, and based on the fundamental tenets set forth in the Preamble.
From the Preamble:
The recognition that no protection shall be accorded to an activity contrary to Turkish national interests, the principle of the indivisibility of the existence of Turkey with its state and territory, Turkish historical and moral values or the nationalism, principles, reforms and modernism of Atatürk and that, as required by the principle of secularism, there shall be no interference whatsoever by sacred religious feelings in state affairs and politics; the acknowledgment that it is the birthright of every Turkish citizen to lead an honourable life and to develop his or her material and spiritual assets under the aegis of national culture, civilization and the rule of law, through the exercise of the fundamental rights and freedoms set forth in this Constitution in conformity with the requirements of equality and social justice;http://www.hri.org/docs/turkey/preamble.html
That's fair. My point is that there have been plenty of people who come in and lob liberal talking points as if they were gospel.
There is no need to show such rudeness to new posters.
Indeed. I apologize for my rudeness.
KDD, you point to a good piece from USA Today (yes, that is empirical enough for me) regarding the different degrees that Islam as a religion has insinuated itself into the governments of Arabic nations.
I forsee a government in Iraq that is closer to Egypt than to Iran or Saudi Arabia - even with some measure of theocratic influence.
To hear some tell it, if Iraq's constitution doesn't mirror that of the US, then it's "wrong" and the Bush Administration has "failed." That's far from the truth -- as long as we can establish a stable, rational, democratically-elected and managed government (yes, I see Iran's present government as irrational, and definitely less than stable) that can be both a Middle Eastern power and a friend to the West, then I would say that we will have succeeded in our goal in Iraq.
There are some here, as I suggested, that would count this as failure, and they will present this as such. But contrary to what some liberals try to present, the charge is not to make Iraq the 51st state of the union. It is to free the people from tyranny and allow them to govern themselves without need to fear the next tyrant of the day.
Maryland and Connecticutt were religion based states, Representatives from each colony didn't quite see eye to eye on what the wording should have been. debates were long and communication took forever.
give it a chance...
Thank you, very informative.
So Eygpt has handled it well enough to suit us, and I hope Iraq will do the same, once they get past their pesty civil war problems.
I am still not comfortable with their new ties to Iran, another country run by religious extremists and hostile to us.
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