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If Bases Aren't Needed, Some Fear Fleet Is Next
NY Times ^ | August 22, 2005 | WILLIAM YARDLEY

Posted on 08/22/2005 3:43:39 AM PDT by Pharmboy

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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
The Democrats are saboteurs.

Then what are Republicans?


The destination is the same, joining the global socialist paradise. We can ride the nonstop (Democrats) or the ride that makes a few stops (Republicans).
41 posted on 08/22/2005 10:48:08 AM PDT by milemark (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: Jaysun

I don't follow you on the life expectancy numbers. People are currently moving on at the age of 75. Right? Are you saying that if one lives to be 65 they're likely to continue living to be 80, and that the average of 75 is somewhat distorted by younger deaths?>>>>>>>>>

Right, obviously if you have a group of people who are already 65 the odds of them living to be 80 is better than with a group who are 25 and could die before they ever reach 65.


42 posted on 08/22/2005 10:53:46 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Acceptance of irrational thinking is expanding exponentiallly.)
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To: CBart95

Reset: I have been away doing real world things and just reviewed this thread.
Excuse me! I did'nt notice there were so many arm-chair generals and expert military strategists on board to "advise" Bush, Rummy and all those "inside the beltway" geniuses on how to conduct the war, plan the peace and otherwise wipe themselves.
I must respectfully exit at this point in deferrence to all the brainpower in this open-air asylum.


43 posted on 08/22/2005 10:54:12 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: RaceBannon; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; MrSparkys; monafelice; ...
Connecticut ping!

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent Connecticut ping list.

44 posted on 08/22/2005 11:12:34 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Pharmboy

A sea based fleet is our future. We can control any threatening situation from off-shore with navy guided missles and air superiority. Putting outnumbered boots on the ground with Humvees is 'old warfare'. WW II was it's high-water mark.


45 posted on 08/22/2005 11:24:07 AM PDT by ex-snook (Protectionism is Patriotism in both war and trade.)
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To: CBart95

You're right...I shouldn't have. I got it now: you like to be irritating. But I'm not irritated--I just have a bit of pity for you.


46 posted on 08/22/2005 11:31:13 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: SevenDaysInMay

Yep. The "greatest generation" gave us a splintered shaft good and hard. The damned entitlement scams are so upside down it's ridiculous. Hey, why are the baby boomers a problem, hasn't that same huge group been paying in for the last half century? Doesn't matter. Ponzi scheme. Pre-she-ate it commies, we'll take it from here.


47 posted on 08/22/2005 11:37:13 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: SevenDaysInMay

"Overall, the selfishness of me first FDRers and foolishness have brought them into conflict with cold reality"

I find it difficult to call the people who suffered as children through the Great Depression and then sacrificed their young adulthood to defeat the Axis powers, only to then have to fight in Korea and endure a Cold War for almost the rest of their lives "selfish me first FDRers".
Every decision they made in the thick of economic and military battle was not perfect, but these people suffered, sacrificed, and then sacrificed some more. Indeed, they sacrificed their own comfort and well being to bring us up to age, most of us, either as our parents or grandparents.
That they looked towards a day when they were aged that they would finally be able to set down the load and let their children and grandchildren bear them, as they bore us, does not seem selfish. Indeed, it seems selfish to me to want to deny them that. We have more than they ever dreamt of, and the reason we have it is because of them.
Social Security and Medicare Drug Benefits are the least we can do. We just need to reorient the economy and our other expenditures and efforts to be able to take care of these people.
Otherwise it's us who are the whiny, selfish brats.
They EARNED it, by giving us a world to live in.
I don't much fancy speaking German.
I'd expect there are others who don't fancy ending up in the soapdish.
These "selfish" FDRers are the reason I don't and they're not.


48 posted on 08/22/2005 11:39:15 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Tibikak ishkwata!)
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To: RipSawyer
Right, obviously if you have a group of people who are already 65 the odds of them living to be 80 is better than with a group who are 25 and could die before they ever reach 65.

Gotcha.
49 posted on 08/22/2005 11:39:33 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: Pharmboy
Saw your personal page. I'm a Washington nut too.


50 posted on 08/22/2005 11:46:25 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: Vicomte13
Well worth repeating - thanks.

"I find it difficult to call the people who suffered as children through the Great Depression and then sacrificed their young adulthood to defeat the Axis powers, only to then have to fight in Korea and endure a Cold War for almost the rest of their lives "selfish me first FDRers".

" Every decision they made in the thick of economic and military battle was not perfect, but these people suffered, sacrificed, and then sacrificed some more. Indeed, they sacrificed their own comfort and well being to bring us up to age, most of us, either as our parents or grandparents.

" That they looked towards a day when they were aged that they would finally be able to set down the load and let their children and grandchildren bear them, as they bore us, does not seem selfish. Indeed, it seems selfish to me to want to deny them that. We have more than they ever dreamt of, and the reason we have it is because of them.

" Social Security and Medicare Drug Benefits are the least we can do. We just need to reorient the economy and our other expenditures and efforts to be able to take care of these people.

" Otherwise it's us who are the whiny, selfish brats. They EARNED it, by giving us a world to live in. I don't much fancy speaking German. I'd expect there are others who don't fancy ending up in the soapdish. These "selfish" FDRers are the reason I don't and they're not.

51 posted on 08/22/2005 12:02:10 PM PDT by ex-snook (Protectionism is Patriotism in both war and trade.)
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To: Pharmboy; Jeff Head; B4Ranch; ProudVet77

pings


52 posted on 08/22/2005 12:03:14 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Jaysun
Excellent! I shall ping you to appropriate threads about The General.

Your Obdt. Svt.
P____boy.

53 posted on 08/22/2005 3:28:26 PM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: Pharmboy
Excellent! I shall ping you to appropriate threads about The General.

Thank you. A quote appropriate to this thread:

"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace." George Washington
54 posted on 08/22/2005 4:26:41 PM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: ryan71

It seems like every rat hole country has a sub or 4 with more coming on line.

I suspect America is still 40 years ahead of everyone eles and we know something they dont or else we are gonna get screwed.


55 posted on 08/22/2005 4:29:54 PM PDT by winodog (We need to pull the fedgov.con's feeding tube)
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To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..
Steel-Eyed Killers of the Deep (((PING!)))

In a report to Congress in March 2004, the Navy projected that it would need a fleet of 55 nuclear-powered attack submarines in 2024. A year later, the Navy lowered the projection to 45. By May, Admiral Vern Clark, who was then the chief of naval operations, said he wanted 41. Others now talk of a fleet in the 30's. It has been 16 years since the Berlin Wall fell,...

56 posted on 08/22/2005 5:18:00 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru ("Me? You talking to me? You talkin' to me? Then [BLEEP]... Well, I'm the only one here.")
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

I hear ya. Kind of like a spider getting tangled in its own web. If it weren't so tragic, it would be funny.


57 posted on 08/22/2005 5:52:51 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: IonImplantGuru
The closing of Groton would save 1.6 billion over 20 years.

Hmmmmm.....$1.6 divided by 20 = $800,000 a year....hmmmm...I bet congress procures more than that yearly to protect a Kangaroo rat.

Put the Seawolf on the endangered species list!

58 posted on 08/22/2005 6:52:09 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: David Isaac

"Focusing on terrorism, is going to lead to many interesting developments."

That's putting it mildly. Keep your eye on the bouncing ball while we strip America of it's defense.


59 posted on 08/22/2005 7:01:18 PM PDT by dljordan
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