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Documentary Questions the Existence of Jesus
The Los Angeles Times ^ | August 20, 2005 | Patricia Ward Biederman, Times Staff Writer

Posted on 08/21/2005 4:15:19 PM PDT by vrwc1

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To: Jeff Gordon
So? What's for dinner? ....home chicken noodle soup!!! YUM!
21 posted on 08/21/2005 4:34:53 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted!!)
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To: Cicero

He reminds me of something C.S. Lewis said. He said that when he was an atheist, he didn't believe God existed, but also that he was angry at God for not existing.

Apparently, Mr. Flemming was expecting more from allowing God the privilege of converting him than he ended up getting. Many (but by no means all) atheists have a grudge about the whole thing.


22 posted on 08/21/2005 4:35:11 PM PDT by wimpycat (Hyperbole is the opiate of the activist wacko.)
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To: frankiep

"So a documentary claiming the Christ is a myth would disturb ONLY conservative Christians? I would think that it would disturb ALL Christians."

To the left, conservative Christian is redundant. They don't think that those are two independent adjectives.


23 posted on 08/21/2005 4:36:20 PM PDT by Renderofveils ("A is for all the tea they taxed, M is for the minutemen they shellaxed...")
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To: Artemis Webb
I'm looking forward to Serenity (Sept. 30th) and maybe The Brothers Grimm

As for Flemming, I'm sure Jesus is getting a good laugh out of him.

24 posted on 08/21/2005 4:36:56 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Idiots and the Internet don't mix, no matter how hard Michael Moore tries.)
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To: vrwc1
the former born-again Christian argues that the biblical Jesus never lived

sometimes the people who attack the Church the hardest are quitters. Reminds of the saying about a "woman scorned." They can get pretty catty. Anyone heard of that chick that was on Saturday Night Live taking her "God isn't there" show on the road?

25 posted on 08/21/2005 4:37:42 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

The Brothers Grimm for sure. I've always been a huge Terry Gilliam fan!


26 posted on 08/21/2005 4:37:55 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: vrwc1
In it, the former born-again Christian argues that the biblical Jesus never lived, but is a mythological figure like Paul Bunyan.

That's biblically impossible. He was never regenerated, or born again.

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
-- 1 John 2:19


27 posted on 08/21/2005 4:38:51 PM PDT by rdb3 (With my own Purple Haze, Jimi Hendrix never sounded so good...)
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To: vrwc1

there is way too much non-bible corroboration that Jesus Christ did exist and was in fact crucified.

This "Jesus did not exist" is more along the lines of atheist, homo-rights, and communiste propaganda efforts.

They might as well claim George Washington did not exist.

Perhaps the left will deny Hitler existed and he was just a figment of the vast right wing conspiracy to discredit socialists. (ie democrats)


28 posted on 08/21/2005 4:39:36 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee

Do you see the Blessed Mother in there?

29 posted on 08/21/2005 4:39:59 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: Cicero
...former born-again Christian

I think that's how Webster defines "oxymoron."

"Once you know Jesus...there ain't no going back!"

30 posted on 08/21/2005 4:40:03 PM PDT by Dark Skies (Annunaki...Amalek...Arafat!)
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To: vrwc1
Does Dart still write for them? If so, I'm surprised he didn't save this for a traditional Easter or Christmas feature.

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

31 posted on 08/21/2005 4:42:09 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: wimpycat
Apparently, Mr. Flemming was expecting more from allowing God the privilege of converting him than he ended up getting.

Read the article. He says he rejected God because he'd been told a pack of lies in a Christian fundamentalist school about evolution and a 6 day creation.

Science and evolution need not contradict one's faith. Do a google on Dr. Francis S. Collins the head of the Human Genome Project, and a serious Christian. He's a member of some associations of Christians involved in science, and has written on the subject of reconciling evolution and God.

32 posted on 08/21/2005 4:44:35 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: narby
Your advice that Christianity redefine itself to suit your tastes and misconceptions is considered, and rejected.

The fact that you even seriously make the proposal reveals a lot about your grasp of the fundamental concepts involved.

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

33 posted on 08/21/2005 4:47:38 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: vrwc1
"I think that the idea that an individual could be the son of a god is already so ridiculous it doesn't need to be debunked."

A fool in his heart hath said there is no God, and as it follows there is no salvation for those who hold this view.

A well deserved and fitting end for fools!

34 posted on 08/21/2005 4:47:51 PM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: Renderofveils

The left is trying to find "atheist Christians" in order to rebuild their base.

Watch, democrap politicians will RUN not walk for this. I bet the DNC's in house Reverend, Wallis. Will give some appologist remark that give credence to this commie pablum.


35 posted on 08/21/2005 4:49:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory
there is way too much non-bible corroboration that Jesus Christ did exist and was in fact crucified.

Actually, there is very little evidence for Christs existence that's unquestioned. Some of the historical references to Christ are arguably deliberate later additions during translation.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but I did read a critique on several of the non-Biblical references to Christ and it wasn't pretty.

That being said, who's to say that Christ just wasn't a first century Marjoe or Jim Jones. He convinced 12 people to follow him, but in the end they all rejected him. Why? What did they leave out of the Gospels that caused them to reject him?

36 posted on 08/21/2005 4:49:44 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: vrwc1
First of all, the historian Josephus that was alive then wrote of Jesus and his followers. That is beyond historical doubt.

Secondly, his apostles and others who knew Christ endured incredible hardship, stoning, the worst imaginable torture, and never once denied Christ. They knew Him, and knew WHO He was!

They could not have endured to the end if Jesus was not God. Period. Knowing that Christ WAS God, on earth to fulfill His Word, the worst possible torture was nothing coming from mere men.

37 posted on 08/21/2005 4:51:57 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (God is my Fulcrum; prayer is my lever -- Saint Therese of Lisieux)
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To: Cicero

It was. Someone should have told them the real test is to wait two thousand years and then see if you still have millions of followers worldwide. Or asked them if they really thought that anyone would be fed to the lions sooner than denounce the Beatles.

When you start elevating yourself over Jesus Christ, who has been worshiped and followed by millions for thousands of years, you need to be brought down a few pegs.


38 posted on 08/21/2005 4:52:38 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Don't make Me come down there. ---God)
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To: kittymyrib
You can be sure Jesus knows all about you, Brian Flemming.

And that's all that matters at the end of the day, eh? Truth is funny that way: It's not dependent upon anyone believing it. It simply is.

Gonna be a lot of forehead slapping going on on that dreadful day, people saying, "Oh man, why didn't I listen just one of the countless times I heard about Jesus?" So many people spend decades preparing for a twenty-year retirement, but don't spend five minutes earnestly pondering eternity. And while I do remember that mindset myself, the thought now of not having eternity taken care of would be terrifying to me.

MM

39 posted on 08/21/2005 4:53:32 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: narby

there are notations regarding his "appearances" and even records in rome of the crucifiction. Pilot even filed a report to rome.

Discovery and History have played documentaries which were intentionally showing nonbiblical references.

Also there is the works of the deciples, there are also references to Paul in Corrinth. (only reason I know about Corrinth was that I saw it with my own eyes)


40 posted on 08/21/2005 4:54:38 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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