Posted on 08/20/2005 5:45:53 PM PDT by Nicholas Conradin
By SEATTLE - When President Bush plunged into the debate over the teaching of evolution this month, saying, "both sides ought to be properly taught," he seemed to be reading from the playbook of the Discovery Institute, the conservative think tank here that is at the helm of this newly volatile frontier in the nation's culture wars.
After toiling in obscurity for nearly a decade, the institute's Center for Science and Culture has emerged in recent months as the ideological and strategic backbone behind the eruption of skirmishes over science in school districts and state capitals across the country. Pushing a "teach the controversy" approach to evolution, the institute has in many ways transformed the debate into an issue of academic freedom rather than a confrontation between biology and religion.
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"They lump themselves together, in that they are both collections of non-scientists, touting theories that are not amenable to scientific methods"
On the contrary, ID disputes nothing that can be demonstrated through scientific methods.
"to the degree that they feel comfortable revising the science curriculum by force of law, over the objections of the vast majority of scientists, and the institutions that speak for scientists."
So your real objection is that they dispute the non-scientific conclusion that "it all happened entirely by accident."
ID holds that yes, it happened, but there was Intelligence behind it. The only point of dispute is the existence of God.
Eh? Please define a point to me. Please define a line. Please define a line segment. Please show me Pi as a complete number. EH?This is a pretty loopy argument. Pi clearly is defined, to the extent that any slightly abstract notion about the relationships of entities is. If you wanted to chase this overly pedantic argument down another step, you could claim nothing is defined, because it is defined in words, and when you look up to words, all you get is more words. Pi is defined well enough to put meat on the table with, and that's the telling criteria.
I'm just sort of mildly curious as to what further point you will be supporting if I concede to you that Pi is, in some significant manner, undefined?
Even "Mister DNA" Crick himself (an Atheist, to be sure) was quoted as saying, ‘An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.’
Policeman:
"He has a hole drilled in his head and there is acid oozing from his brain"
Creationist:
"It's just a lover's quarrel."
"Those" are always too lazy to search through links or to look in a library or to do any research, etc.
Well, then, I bet you can quickly point me to a potentially disconfirming experiment, right?
Your claim isn't, in my opinion, as good as the several variations on the claim that fundamental symmetries in the nature of the initial quantum event, had to resolve themselves into well-kempt laws. Until there is a differentiating experiment--my claim stands on as much scientific grounds as yours, or maybe a little better, since I can make a grab at Occams razor, because I'm not required to then try to examine and explain the nature of the entity mysteriously behind it all.
"To overcome the huge hurdles of evolution of life from non-living chemicals on earth, Crick proposed that some form of primordial life was shipped to the earth billions of years ago in spaceships—by supposedly ‘more evolved’ (therefore advanced) alien beings."
Spaceships and aliens are needed to prove evolution? Wow.
"Common sense" does not trump actually looking at the evidence, and understanding why it is compelling for scientists, before trying to characterize it.
This thread is about ID, and you are shelling your own troops.
read later bump
Given the unlikelihood that I would have chosen the profession I am in, out of all the professions available, and given that I chose the city I live in, out of all the cities I could have chosen, I am a genuine bleeding inexplicable miracle, don't you think?
radius.
Sorry... diameter
Evidence??? The "lack" of fossil evidence is an 800 Pound Gorilla that "die hard" Evolutionist's cannot shake. "Theory" my friend... We are debating "Theory". Evolution is a long ways away from being "fact". Wasn't too long ago that "science" insisted the world was flat and that "Earth" was the center of the universe...
Either I'm not understanding you or you aren't understanding me. Please elaborate.
The Pi ratio is defined both in terms of D and 2R mystery solved.
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