The plan is to get Israelis away from one million rabid dogs who want to kill them and to keep the rabid dogs on the other side of this Wall.
Were you really expecting the rabid dogs to change their character?
If so, you misunderstood the plan.
Posted on 08/20/2005 4:36:55 AM PDT by ex-Texan
That wasn't a state -- that was Indonesia with Israeli land as the water.
"They don't want a Palestinian state - they want ALL of Israel.
And Russia under Nikita Kruschev wanted America dead and buried. Neither happened. So?
"If the Israelis laid down their arms tomorrow.... what would the Palestinians do?"
Try to annihilate them.
"If the Palestinians laid down their arms tomorrow... what would Isralis do?"
Give them some unfavorable land, build a wall around them, and keep them as pets. Kinda like what they've been doing for the last 40 years, since the Palestinians don't really have much in the way of arms.
The plan is to get Israelis away from one million rabid dogs who want to kill them and to keep the rabid dogs on the other side of this Wall.
Were you really expecting the rabid dogs to change their character?
If so, you misunderstood the plan.
Your words reveal all I need to know about you.
Funny thing, there was no wall just a few years ago.
When any Arab from anywhere is the "West Bank" could hop in a car, and just drive to the beaches at Tel Aviv for sun and fun.
The wall came when your favorite barbarians decided that on the way to the Tel Aviv beach they were going to get their fun by killing as many Israelis as they could.
You thought wrong, meeting my expectation level of you.
I wrote, "The world gave Israel a state and promised the Palestinians one. That needs to be completed."
"why wasn't there an Arab Palestinian State created?"
It was. It's right there on the UN 181 map. Plain as day.
It's currently occupied, however, by Israeli military and civilians.
"Maybe the Arabs shouldn't have attacked, attempting to kill Israel."
In retrospect ...
As do yours.
Wrong. The promise to the Jews and the Arabs was identical in the same document.
Israel was created because the Jews gambled to fight and won.
The Arabs gambled to destroy the Jews and lost.
So they tried again in 1967, and lost again.
As I wrote, in the bizarre world of the Arab apologists, losing has no consequence. The Arabs can continue to seek Israel's destruction for all eternity. If they win, good for them. If they lose, the world must reset to square one.
That explains the wall itself, with which I have no problem (other than the fact I'm paying for it).
But that doesn't explain the route of the wall.
(And please don't bother. It'd be just bull$hit anyways about protecting civilian settlements -- or do you still insist on calling them "outposts" -- that shouldn't have been built there to begin with.)
Relitigating history is just a dead end road to frustration, and will just raise your blood pressure. The issue Israel has no choice but to grapple with is what to do now given the facts as it knows them? What is the least "bad" choice, bearing in mind the demographics, and the policy of the actors both on the scene and elseshere, including of course the US, without whose support Israel might not today exist? That is the question.
I wouldn't have built a fence/wall or anythign else.
I would take care of any Arab threat in the way every civilization in all of history has defended itself against its enemies.
And that time may yet come.
Didn't have one for Germany. Italy. Japan. North Korea.
Ah, but the Palestinians! THEY lost all claim to their land.
Plus, unlike in Germany, Japan, Italy, North Korea, the victor is allowed to take land from the vanquished and build homes!
Yours is the bizarre world.
So, although my comment was sarcastic, maybe the plan IS working.
I hope it is...we'll see.
I agree with that.
I don't agree that the forces pulling out of Gaza now are on the side of Munich 1938 and the present-day appeasing left.
The West is split, the East is not.
The east is not united behind Jihad. Gaza is probably the worse case.
I know your long held solution. The problem with it is manifested in the title to this thread....and the growing Iranian nuclear threat.
Not to mention that all your assumptions disappear with one bullet to the head of Jordan's King.
Could be because the others you mention are a genuine and distinct People. Unlike the Palestinian Arabs.
Of course. And Israel has shown itself to be capable of doing so time and again.
And it can continue to do so even with the creation of a Palestinian state, and probably more effectively.
Yeah. I'm sure that's it.
It might be useful for you to type out what you think my solution is, and what yours is. It is useful because we both have a common goal: that the survival of Israel is job one, and that it cannot and must perish from this earth. Those with common goals can have a useful discussion. Those that do not, are just in the game to make debating points with each other.
Can't wait to see the results of independent Gaza.
Watching the Island of Dr Moreau for a preview.
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