Krugman Tries to Pull Fast One (He lies again and is caught)

National Review ^ | 8-19-2005 | John Podhoretz

[Chicos_Bail_Bonds]

KRUGMAN TRIES TO PULL A FAST ONE [John Podhoretz] Paul krugman tells a whopper today in his column about media recounts in the 2000 election: "Two different news media consortiums reviewed Florida's ballots; both found that a full manual recount would have given the election to Mr. Gore." Um--no. Wrong. Bzzzzz. One of those groups was led by USA Today, and here's what they found in a May 15, 2001 USA Today story headlined "Newspapers recount show Bush prevailed": "George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes — more than triple his official 537-vote margin — if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes."

This will be the subject of about a billion blog entries today. Did Krugman really think he could get away with this?

Posted at 06:28 AM

[Dog Gone]

Okay, it wasn't clear to me what you were referring to.

I don't think Krugman is a moron, though. I think he's a highly intelligent evil person with no morals whatsoever.

[YOUGOTIT]

You wrote: "I remember one newspaper count having Gore win by exactly 3 votes using, ironically, a method of counting the Bush campaign wanted. Every other count I saw had Bush winning."

There were NONE. Do not know what you remember but there was not one paper that said Gore would have won. ALL the left-wing democrat papers admitted that Bush won including USA Today, Miami, Times, and all others.

[Phlap]

By running for the U.S. Senate, Katherine Harris, Florida's former secretary of state, has stirred up some ugly memories. And that's a good thing, because those memories remain relevant. There was at least as much electoral malfeasance in 2004 as there was in 2000, even if it didn't change the outcome. And the next election may be worse.

We aren't going to rerun the last three elections.

Both paragraphs are lies. But that is a good thing. The fact they continue to rerun their failures is stunning. They cling to the illusion that Clinton won his presidency. He actualy gained it by default.

[Lancey Howard]

Sure, Krugman is a sleazy guy, and apparently a pathological liar as well, but what does his continued employment say about the New York Times? Has that paper gone so far down the toilet that the editors and publisher have simply lost all sense of shame?

[Celtjew Libertarian]

There were NONE. Do not know what you remember but there was not one paper that said Gore would have won. ALL the left-wing democrat papers admitted that Bush won including USA Today, Miami, Times, and all others.

See the article I link to in post 19, 5th paragraph. They confirm Bush's victory, but note that there was one method, "advocated by many Republicans," by which Gore came out three votes ahead.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

They just can't get over it.

[dcar99]

Seems like I remember reading that the only way Gore could have won was counting all the overvotes as well as the undervotes and *also* assigning him votes where the voter voted strictly Democrat but then voted for Buchanon ( going back to the poorly aligned voter form issue ) which obviously never would have held up in court. There was no way Gore could have won the election.

[MNJohnnie]

Ironically, a tougher standard of counting only cleanly punched ballots advocated by many Republicans would have resulted in a Gore lead of just three votes,

Not actually true. More Media make believe. What the Bush Campaign was advocating was NO re-re-re-recount. By Florida Law after 2 recounts the vote stands. The standard CNN refers to was the one argued for AFTER the Gore campaign contributers on the Florida Supreme Court orders a re-re-re-recount. So it was a Republican standard argued for only AFTER their original argument was rejected by a court with direct conflict of interests. So CNN is deliberately misreporting this.

[bonerici]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/election2000/election2000_both_win.html

The Miami Herald has managed to do what no other review of Florida ballots has done: Declare both George W. Bush and Al Gore the winner.

Under one complicated scenario in which ballots in only 68 counties are tabulated, Bush wins, the newspaper said in Wednesday's editions.

Under a second, equally complicated scenario, in which ballots from all 67 Florida counties are counted, Gore wins.

* * *

According to the Herald Gore wins. Gore wanted to only recount some counties instead of a complete recount, done the way Gore wanted he would have lost, but done properly he would have won. At least according to the Herald.

[ozzymandus]

He's a leftist, a "professor", and he works for the NYT. Of course he thinks he can lie and get away with it.

[YOUGOTIT]

You said "Look at Paragraph 5 in you post, I did: Ain't NO way. I was then and still am a Florida Republican and I can remember no one asking for that. This is another lie by the left-wing anti-American Press.

[Democratshavenobrains]

Its not just Krugman. Countless lefties have referenced this stuff for years. They care nothing if it is false.

[popdonnelly]

Can't wait to see his retraction.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

I was and am a Florida Republican, too. That method sounds vaguely familiar to me, but I admit, it's not something I've kept the details much in mind over the past almost 5 years.

It really doesn't matter. Just one method out of dozens suggested comes up with a three vote lead for Gore -- and that's so close that random error could account for it. It strikes me that if the press were lying, they would come up with something with a more significant lead for Gore.

It's amusing trivia. Certainly not something to get worked up over.

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

If there was ever one man who best fit the definition of a pusilanimous pipsqueak.........it's Kruggy.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Under a second, equally complicated scenario, in which ballots from all 67 Florida counties are counted, Gore wins.

"Only 68 counties" and "all 67 Florida counties." I'm guessing a typo here... For the record, Florida has 67 counties.

[Always Independent]

Ah the little nowhere man from the yellow submarine is at it again!

[dufekin]

Converting Liberal-ese to English requires changing "won" to "lost." Remember, liberals love the United States Senate, where whichever party [Democrats] embraces the philosophy of the stop sign and the agenda of the roadblock can win automatically if their opponents [Republicans] advance their ideas on all issues (domestic and foreign) but fail to carry more than 60% of the electorate (including registered nonvoters).

[michaelbfree]

Liberals are like Muslims - it's alright to lie if you aren't lying to one of the other faithful.

[Shqipo]

Krugman is the President of the Liberal dweeb club, but you can't blame him too much for trying. The three private recounts of the 2000 election was the most underreported story in world history. Even the papers conducted them did not state the results on page 1.