Posted on 08/19/2005 2:19:28 PM PDT by radar101
A few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.
Now, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.
The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.
"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.
Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."
Mr. Mancía, who lives in Los Angeles, and Ms. Leiva, who lives in the Dallas area, have applied for visas that are available to immigrants who are the victims of certain crimes and who cooperate with the authorities, Ms. Bruner said.
Mr. Mancía and Ms. Leiva were caught on a ranch in Hebbronville, Tex., in March 2003 by Mr. Nethercott and other members of Ranch Rescue. The two immigrants later accused Mr. Nethercott of threatening them and of hitting Mr. Mancía with a pistol, charges that Mr. Nethercott denied. The immigrants also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so. The immigrants said the ordeal, in which they feared that they would be killed by the men they thought were soldiers, had left them with post-traumatic stress.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
As long as the money isn't running out from business campaign contributors, the Republican Party isn't going to get serious about the border. They'll do their level best to make us think they are before the election, tho'...and all those campaign contributions will help pay for the publicity to try to convince us of that.
INTREP - is this a spoof or a sick joke???
No joke.
This one's still running too... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1466446/posts
You want another "joke"? A week ago in Mexico City, County Supervisor of San Bernardino, California Josie Gonzales, the Mayor of Lynwood, California Ramon Rodriguez, Borough President of The Bronx Adolfo Carrion, and Delaware State Representative Joseph E. Miro, all supposedly American elected officials, held a press conference where they demanded the following:
Bush should openly declare that he is against the Minuteman Project, and more aggressively criminalize their activities, which are motivated by anti-immigrant sentiments that are racist and paranoiac.
You got that? They want border defense by American citizens "criminalized."
But wait, there's more:
Earlier this year, US Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez said, at an East Los Angeles town hall meeting, that his office is closely monitoring the activities of the border vigilantes and that he would not hesitate to enforce the federal hate crime laws against them.
Funny, I don't recall seeing that particular statement of someone who's supposedly the Attorney General of the United States being reported much at the time. But at least we know where he and his boss stand, don't we?
No wonder my son and daugher-in-law moved themselves and their kids in January from Malibu to Colorado Springs where we live.
These would be Mexican American CITIZENS, presumably elected by other Mexican American CITIZENS. We need to stop all migration because we can't expect any of these immigrants to have a strong desire to preserve our country.
Certainly there would be some immigrants who aren't that way but we live in a democracy so we need to consider the how MOST will see things.
I heard these guy's attorney on Fox News this afternoon - he claimed his clients were LEGALLY in the US......
Then again - I have learned to not trust anything any lawyer says - particularly in a case that involves money and lawsuits...
IF these guys were trespassing and caught on this guys property (he is in prison right now for illegal posession of a firearm - the one he used to pistol whip one of these guys -supposedly), why does he not have the right to defend his property? He could have shot the trespassers (assuming this all was on his property) and in my mind been justified.
Oh - wait, my mind is often logic-oriented. That's asking too much from today's "system".
He didn't show up to the court date because he is in prison for illegal posession of a firearm.
Actually, Carrion from the Bronx is Puerto Rican (although---Goodness knows---there're LOTS of Mexicans now all over New York City and New York State, "kicking up" gang warfare and so on). Puerto Ricans were made citizens by the 1917 Jones Act. It's a strange sort of citizenship: Puerto Ricans (in Puerto Rico) can't vote for President and they don't pay Federal income tax. But they've been able to freely migrate to the mainland since 1917.
As they say............you've gotta be shi**in' me.................
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A few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.Now, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.
The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.
"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.
did you see this one
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1466905/posts
Also
Savage is going to help with the legal defense!!!!! What a guy!!!
Fascinating. So, he's an informant...but he ends up losing his land, and being held without charges as a "terrorist" - Janet Napolitano's famous first use of the so-called Patriot Act.
Odd that a federal informant would end up basically being the target of virtually every warrant and trial in the entire Ranch Rescue saga. Even Foote didn't go down as hard.
The guy in the Twilight Zone is riding a Pale Horse...
Seriously, this is insane. But this will be the world under the likes of filth like Janet Napolitano, a genuine, certified sexual deviant with apparently psychotic need for power, and an axe to grind to against white, heterosexual males, "non-Hispanic". And of course the documented sexual deviant, Morris Dees. Both of them are cut from the same mold: rigid, controlling personalities at odds with the world around them, bitter and desperate to undermine the world and people they were brought up with.
The madness ends when people vote in officials strong enough to confront the enablers of these warped characters - the judiciary, the bureaucracy - and put them out of power.
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