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Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight
The New York Times ^ | 08/19/05 | Andrew Pollack

Posted on 08/19/2005 9:25:31 AM PDT by RoyalsFan

By ANDREW POLLACK Published: August 19, 2005 DOUGLAS, Ariz., Aug. 18 - Spent shells litter the ground at what is left of the firing range, and camouflage outfits still hang in a storeroom. Just a few months ago, this ranch was known as Camp Thunderbird, the headquarters of a paramilitary group that promised to use force to keep illegal immigrants from sneaking across the border with Mexico.

Now, in a turnabout, the 70-acre property about two miles from the border is being given to two immigrants whom the group caught trying to enter the United States illegally.

The land transfer is being made to satisfy judgments in a lawsuit in which the immigrants had said that Casey Nethercott, the owner of the ranch and a former leader of the vigilante group Ranch Rescue, had harmed them.

"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land," said Morris S. Dees Jr., co-founder and chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., which represented the immigrants in their lawsuit.

Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist; civilwarii; constitutionlist; cw2; govwatch; illegalalien; invasion; judicialactivism; landgrab; ranchrescue; unbelieveable
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To: RoyalsFan
The immigrants illegals also said the group gave them cookies, water and a blanket and let them go after an hour or so.

No good deed goes unpunished.

Meanwhile, O.J. Simpson has never paid the judgment found against him in civil court.

81 posted on 08/19/2005 10:37:39 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day. . . "Operation Gratitude")
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To: From One - Many

I've been trying to pick a poster to respond to with my shared outrage.

Then I saw your name.

1. We need the judge's name and info.

2. We need to find out what it will take to get an appeal going.


82 posted on 08/19/2005 10:38:41 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: calex59
They are here by breaking a law, if they get harmed it is because they were committing a crime and in it's commission were harmed. The only legal standing they have is to be prosecuted for being here illegally and any illegals with them are to be prosecuted for causing harm to which ever illegal was injured.

So, by that logic, you can simply go to Los Angeles and shoot illegal immigrants, since they have no legal standing and are committing a crime by being on US soil. Is that what you're saying?

83 posted on 08/19/2005 10:38:47 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: RoyalsFan

"Certainly it's poetic justice that these undocumented workers own this land"

I was thinking more like bitter irony myself.


84 posted on 08/19/2005 10:39:38 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: calex59

Yeah no kidding.. I mean how can they OWN anything if they are not here legally?


85 posted on 08/19/2005 10:40:39 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: RoyalsFan

Bump.


86 posted on 08/19/2005 10:41:36 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male (NRA))
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To: RoyalsFan

This is a joke right?


87 posted on 08/19/2005 10:42:23 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: RoyalsFan

The ranch goes to the wetbacks. Right. Untill Dees presents them with his bill.


88 posted on 08/19/2005 10:42:24 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: Chena
They don't even have to get themselves "roughed up". Apparently they can just accuse someone of roughing them up and still win a case on a "he said, she said" basis. Unbelievable!

That's the part that gets me, the conviction is apparently based on an accusation. Why would you assault someone, then give them cookies and water?

But, I admit, at first sight I thought this story was a hoax. Then, I saw ... Southern Poverty Law Center. That makes it more believable.

89 posted on 08/19/2005 10:42:56 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day. . . "Operation Gratitude")
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To: vrwc0915

and BITS would happen.
The people of this nation aren't stupid, dispite what the politicians think.

The people of this nation simply aren't fully awake yet.


90 posted on 08/19/2005 10:44:44 AM PDT by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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To: From many - one.

number 2 first


91 posted on 08/19/2005 10:46:00 AM PDT by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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To: Heyworth

I believe that would be your logic. No one was shot. They were detained.

If you are asking "So, by that logic, you can simply go to Los Angeles and DETAIN illegal immigrants, since they have no legal standing and are committing a crime by being on US soil."

The answer would be yes.


92 posted on 08/19/2005 10:46:47 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: calex59
All, or almost all, states have laws that state that if injury is caused, including death, during th commission of a crime the perpetrators are guilty of the bodily injury up to and including murder.

First off, you need to read the full article. It describes the situation in some detail.

Next, the "perpetrators," as you call them, had been captured and were being held. At that point, Mr. Nethercott should simply have called INS, and been done with it. At that point, there was no more crime being committed, but rather a group of citizens having done their civic duty. Nice job, fellas.

But apparently Mr. Nethercott wasn't content to stop there. Instead, he decided to pistol whip one of the guys -- which is assault, not "self defense" as you're trying to paint it. Even illegal immigrants have legal protection from assault, even if it's committed by an American citizen.

And then to top it all off, Nethercott and his pals didn't call the INS, but instead let the two fellows go!!!! Doesn't that make them accessories to a crime?

As usual, there's more to the story, and this time it's right in the linked article.

93 posted on 08/19/2005 10:47:10 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Three S's prevents such suit's!

There is no such thing as an "Illegal Immigrant", thy are an active invasion force, and should be treated as enemy combatants.
And no, no SARC tag needed, as I am serious.

It's time to protect the border and our national identity by every means necessary.


94 posted on 08/19/2005 10:47:20 AM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: From One - Many

Yeh.

Ok, -did- you derive your name from mine? I mean with the spaced hyphen and all.


96 posted on 08/19/2005 10:50:24 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Richard-SIA
There is no such thing as an "Illegal Immigrant", thy are an active invasion force, and should be treated as enemy combatants. And no, no SARC tag needed, as I am serious.

If you're really serious, then you should ask yourself why Americans (by hiring these people) are paying the illegal immigrants to cross the borders. Because that's why they're coming.

As far as illegal immigration is concerned, it's one place where Blame America First happens to have a great deal of merit.

97 posted on 08/19/2005 10:51:23 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: From many - one.

no


98 posted on 08/19/2005 10:52:03 AM PDT by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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if true the judge should be not taken off the bench, but thrown, literally.


99 posted on 08/19/2005 10:55:25 AM PDT by Cougar66 (The only liberal movement is what's in their diapers. .)
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To: moehoward

Read #93. They weren't detained, they were pistol-whipped, then released.


100 posted on 08/19/2005 10:55:29 AM PDT by Heyworth
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