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1 posted on 08/19/2005 5:46:36 AM PDT by SLB
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28 posted on 08/19/2005 6:36:15 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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Mathewes-Green points to the delay of marriage as the most interesting indicator of what is happening. As she notes, the average first marriage now unites a bride age 25 with a groom age 27. "I'm intrigued by how patently unnatural that is," Mathewes-Green observes. "God designed our bodies to desire to mate much earlier, and through most of history cultures have accommodated that desire by enabling people to wed by their late teens or early twenties. People would postpone marriage until their late twenties only in cases of economic disaster or famine--times when people had to save up in order to marry."

Why buy the cow when you can milk the neighbor's cow for free?

The sexual revolution ushered in a "quick fix" for carnal desires. Add to that no fault divorce. Society is emotionally stunted.

32 posted on 08/19/2005 6:49:18 AM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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Everything about this article makes me think of the DUmmies and their constant whining. Maybe this article explains the "Root CauseTM" of DUmmie-ism.
36 posted on 08/19/2005 6:56:14 AM PDT by varyouga (Reformed Kerry voter (I know, I'm a frickin' idiot))
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I think the author is trivializing an important reality. The present rejection of adulthood is a rejection of adult responsibility, not a rejection of adult power.

Toddlers reject responsibility and endlessly attempt to be powerful. Human nature desires power over others but without responsibility for them. Humans desire love from another while have power over him or her. People want to be powerful AND loved, and by the same person at the same time. This does not happen in real life but is the very stuff of fantasy, the very essence of lust, of pornography, of "homosexuality".

Throughout the ages humans have been this way. They lust for power and abhor responsibility. Their heart's desire is "to be as gods", to personally decide the difference between good and evil. Power.

This Raeder guy, the fellow who called himself "TBK", shows the truth of my statement. Power over others was, is, his heart's desire. But notice that yesterday at his trial he was greatly distressed that his victim's families do not love him.

Please notice that I am describing original sin.
37 posted on 08/19/2005 6:57:02 AM PDT by Iris7 ("A pig's gotta fly." - Porco Rosso)
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Though the current generation of young adults includes some spectacular exceptions who have quickly moved into the fullness of adult responsibility, the generation as a whole seems to be waiting for something--but who knows what?--to happen.

They're waiting for their boomer parents to die so they can recoup whatever is left of what the boomers stole from them.

39 posted on 08/19/2005 6:59:51 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Just call me Mr. Zero Diversity Points!)
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I think there’s more to this trend than the author’s thesis. Specifically, economic success.

Why strive so hard to pay the psychological price for adulthood if success through everlasting childhood is all but guaranteed? Isn’t this a virtual inevitability of success, that the population will find some kind of equilibrium between progress and self sacrifice? When the vast majority can drift through 12-16 years of school and a light career on into a nice home, family and leisure, I’d be surprised if most didn’t refuse to grow up.

I take it a step further and propose that most adult children know vaguely what they’re doing and seek out others that are doing the same - kind of an unspoken understanding.


50 posted on 08/19/2005 7:27:09 AM PDT by elfman2 (2 tacos short of a combination plate)
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Keeper.


65 posted on 08/19/2005 7:51:08 AM PDT by metesky (This land was your land, this land is MY land; I bought the rights from a town selectman!)
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What If There Are No Adults?

You get the Clintons.


73 posted on 08/19/2005 8:02:26 AM PDT by Porterville (Liberal Babyboomers will by anything that stinks of hippy.... So crap on a stick and sell baby sell)
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Hope I die before I get old, talkin bout my generation...


84 posted on 08/19/2005 8:20:01 AM PDT by sandbar
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The sooner the baby boomer generation is in the ground as worm food, the sooner the world will return to reality. Pandered to their entire lives they have done more to mess up the world than ANY generation before them.


91 posted on 08/19/2005 8:36:15 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Wild In The Streets

Never trust any one over 30


99 posted on 08/19/2005 8:46:43 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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It's not just Americans who have this problem.

IMHO, many (if not all) of the homicide bombers are stunted individuals. Angry at the world, feeling "entitled" to honor & glory, and simply bored with mundane, secular reponsibility, they choose what they perceive as a glamorous exit strategy with which they can express themselves.

Arabs don't have a monopoly on these kind of people. Think of Columbine. Those kids wanted to die famous. I see suicide chic in a lot of people's futures.


106 posted on 08/19/2005 8:57:31 AM PDT by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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A Baby Boomer calling Gen X and Gen Y immature children. This is bad comedy.


113 posted on 08/19/2005 9:11:37 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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Well, for one thing Hollywood is reflective of its underlying society, and not the other way around, and it's getting increasingly divorced from the society it's supposed to be reflecting. The reason there isn't a Bogart or a Wayne out there right now isn't because there are no men in America. That is a thesis so silly that it scarcely bears comment.

The reason for it, as several posters have commented, is economic surplus, and this cycle of it began during the Great Depression. There are, in fact, no real sharp lines of demarcation between generations (you don't find years when nobody had any children) but there are between social attitudes.

The parental drive for a better life for their children is as old as humanity, and is one principal reason why anyone bothered to come to America in the first place. It is an extremely positive social attitude. When that encounters a time of real stress such as the Great Depression (or the Civil War, or the Black Death) it becomes unrestrained by the idea that perhaps one might be making things unhealthily good for one's children - that would be impossible. But in a multigenerational period of plenty it isn't impossible at all.

There's nothing wrong with such things as excessive behaviors, loud music, or radical politics, but it is immature to submerge oneself in them, just as there's nothing wrong with tapioca pudding but if you swim in it you're likely to get fat.

117 posted on 08/19/2005 9:21:18 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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I hate reposting comments (it's bad form), but I really don't feel like rewriting something that would end up saying the same thing, anyway. So here goes (from here:

This is hardly surprising. It is the primary philosophical/ideological conflict in Western civilization since the late eighteenth century: the conflict between traditionalist culture and Romantic culture. It is one of the things I highlight in my Literature course.

All ideologies or philosophies are based on assumptions. Even the most basic logical structures (the syllogism: If A=B & B=C then A=C) depend on premises for their conclusions. Go back far enough in the logical process, and the premises have to be assumed, rather than proved. This tends to be one of the bases for the evolution vs. creationism arguments... the premises that they start from makes any agreement on conclusions impossible.

For most of the history of the West, certain premises about the fundamental nature of human beings have prevailed. Traditional culture began from the basic belief that humanity is born in sin, or fundamentally flawed with the capacity for evil. Part of this assumption is based on Judeo-Christian religious values (see "original sin"). When you assume this about humanity, certain attitudes and beliefs MUST follow. If humanity is fallen, then the job of parents becomes one of training children to be proper adults (restricting their natural "evil" impulses), and the job of society is to protect its citizens from the harm that may inflict upon each other. The Founding Fathers subscribed to this view, as they based our government on the belief that no one could be trust with power... that we are all imperfect and flawed beings.

However, starting with Jean Jacques Rousseau, and finding a powerful voice through poets and philosophers in Europe, another culture grew to challenge traditionalist culture. It started from the basic assumption that man was a tabula rasa, a clean slate, and that a child represented true innocence. Once you assume this, you must then logically progress to views that hold (as did Rousseau) that it was adults (who had been unfortunately warped by their maturation) and the society that they built that robs children of their innocence (hence the "noble" savage of Romantic literature... unwarped by "modern" culture). So, unlike the traditionalist who sees the primary purpose of childhood to be to prepare the child for his life as an adult, the Romantic saw childhood as a time of innocence that every person should aspire to return to.

Or, in brief, to call a liberal (the lineal descendants of the Romantics) child-like is a compliment to them... they see children as being the purest of beings. This is why emotion is so important to them, as it is the primary decision-making tool of a child. And it is why we constantly look at liberals and want to tell them to "grow up"...

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123 posted on 08/19/2005 9:38:06 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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And here is the ultimate toddler-man of the boomer generation....


137 posted on 08/19/2005 10:40:38 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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The Hung-up Generations Without Hangups
141 posted on 08/19/2005 10:55:52 AM PDT by primeval patriot
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Mark and a Mama Fred ping to my sweetie


148 posted on 08/19/2005 11:34:16 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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Because the parents never grew up. Therefore, they never led by example and now their kids are permanently handicapped.


156 posted on 08/19/2005 12:16:29 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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Nothing hurts like the truth!


164 posted on 08/19/2005 4:36:46 PM PDT by Chili Girl
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