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To: thecabal
This just confirms my thoughts that there are a lot of scientists for whom science is their religion.

Then you misunderstand it.

And they have a lot of zeal for their religion.

It's not a religion, but it always amuses me that the worst insult that creationists can think of is to call science "a religion". Hey, if *you* think that's a bad thing...

It's funny to see them dismiss ID completely as hogwash,

For the most part, it certainly is.

but then seem to be afraid to fight it out in the realm of ideas.

Actually, what's really "funny" is that Meyer's article *has* been dissected minutely and countless errors and misrepresentations have been identified in it, BUT you guys will never know about that, because you spend ALL YOUR TIME WHINING ABOUT the personal stuff.

Haven't you ever wondered *why* the creationist propagandists spend most of their time waving around the "religious persecution" card, and so little time addressing (or even *acknowledging the existence of*) the vast numbers of rebuttals to Meyer's article?

Hint: They're playing you -- and you're being willingly played.

Instead, you see a lot of baseless, ad hominum attacks and the crap mentioned in this article.

You "see a lot of" that because that's what the creationists focus their PR on, to divert from the failures of their "science".

There's no excuse for this behavior, whether you agree that this man should have allowed the ID paper in the journal or not.

And on that I agree with you.

But don't pretend that the creationist side doesn't do it, and do it far more often.

40 posted on 08/19/2005 12:56:47 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
>Instead, you see a lot of baseless, ad hominum attacks and the crap mentioned in this article.

You "see a lot of" that because that's what the creationists focus their PR on, to divert from the failures of their "science".

Right. The "But mommy, he started it" arguement.

Actually, what's really "funny" is that Meyer's article *has* been dissected minutely and countless errors and misrepresentations have been identified in it, BUT you guys will never know about that, because you spend ALL YOUR TIME WHINING ABOUT the personal stuff.

You sir have mistakenly lumped me into a category into which I do not belong. I laugh at both the rabid creationists and evolutionists. I expect some of the more crazy religious zealots to act like nutters, but I would like to think that the scientific community could handle itself in a more rational way. Instead, we see the same sort of witch hunt coming from the so-called rationalists. Perhaps they have become that which they hate the most.

>There's no excuse for this behavior, whether you agree that this man should have allowed the ID paper in the journal or not.

But don't pretend that the creationist side doesn't do it, and do it far more often.

Yes, the creationist stranglehold on our nation's scientific insitutions have created a hostile work environment for honest scientists.

43 posted on 08/19/2005 1:06:41 AM PDT by thecabal
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To: Ichneumon
For the most part, it certainly is.

HMmmm... which part AIN'T?

88 posted on 08/21/2005 4:55:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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