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If liberals play their cards right, this collapse could provide them with a powerful rhetorical bludgeon. Take the stem-cell debate, where the great questions are moral, not scientific--whether embryonic human life should be created and destroyed to prolong adult human life. Liberals might win that argument on the merits, but it's by no means a sure thing. The conservative embrace of intelligent design, however, reshapes the ideological battlefield. It helps liberals cast the debate as an argument about science, rather than morality, and paint their enemies as a collection of book-burning, Galileo-silencing fanatics.

1 posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:36 PM PDT by curiosity
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The list will probably be interested in this article.


2 posted on 08/18/2005 5:18:07 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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PLEASE, liberals are evolution, godless.


3 posted on 08/18/2005 5:19:37 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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I don't get it...Leftists can respect Jihadists, Buddhists, Taoists and Satanists...but if someone believes in Christ the Savior and God the Father Almighty, they're "crackpots."

What's worse...other alleged conservatives buy into the Leftist double-standard.

4 posted on 08/18/2005 5:20:29 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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You know, an awful lot of scientists, physicists, and non-right wingers think there might be something to the intelligent design theory, too. I resent the inference that anyone thinking along these lines is a "crackpot."


5 posted on 08/18/2005 5:20:35 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: curiosity; Dataman
Right!

Because it's so characteristic of conservatives to suspend their own independent, critical judgment when an oppressive establishment seeks to blot out all independent thought by brute force, intimidation, browbeating and deception, and demands unthinking compliance!

Brilliant!

And besides, the most important thing to a conservative at all times is to be well-thought-of by The Establishment!

< /s >

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

7 posted on 08/18/2005 5:21:32 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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The world will cease to exist before intelligent design becomes the norm.
8 posted on 08/18/2005 5:21:34 PM PDT by pro610 (Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.Praise Jesus Christ!)
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But what you are saying is that rhetoric must prevail over reason.

Also, I do not think "the public" really cares all that much about it.

9 posted on 08/18/2005 5:21:57 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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You make the false assumption that Intelligent Design is somehow a "crackpot" thing to investigate let alone believe in.

In the lefts view there is room for neither God or conservatives, don't tell me Conservatives are going down the same path?


11 posted on 08/18/2005 5:23:16 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-3898864-0857729


14 posted on 08/18/2005 5:24:43 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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Do hardline evolution-backers accept Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" in economics?

Do they appreciate Michelangelo's Pieta, or Da Vinci's amazing scribblings of inventions?

Do they drive German cars? Or Japanese cars? Or even 55 Chevys, or mega-hp pickups?

They must understand what design is, and how much work goes in achieving it.

15 posted on 08/18/2005 5:24:54 PM PDT by bvw
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Embracing intelligent design does not make anyone a book burner or anything like it. It is a matter of faith and can be tied to many good scientific minds who believe likewise. As it is, the theories about how life originated remain just that...theories.

In the end, it is the moral issue and the faith associated with holding fast to them that have given this nation its true strength. The founders understood this. To whit:

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798
That truth still applies today. I do not believe for a moment that holding to that faith, even on this topic, will hurt us. Rather, and to the contrary, it will help us as the Hand of Providence which has long upheld this nation and its liberty remains inclined to do so.

Just my opinion on the matter.

18 posted on 08/18/2005 5:26:11 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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"The conservative embrace of intelligent design"

What?

All I've noticed is some noise in Kansas and Bush coming out about it once - typical Bush family tactic, throw to the "religious right" a bone of hope to keep them allied with the corporate conservative agenda. Schiavo, winking they might do something about abortion, if the other side gets scared, trot out a Bush wife to hint hubby thinks the opposite.

"Intelligent design" is way out there though, I don't see this appealing to hardly anyone.


19 posted on 08/18/2005 5:26:16 PM PDT by Shermy
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Actually more and more of the scientific community is moving to the intelligent design theroy! Many have been athiests who have changed their mind. Some become full Christians who accept Jesus as their Savior, others may not quite grasp that Faith, but the recognize that Intelligent Design is more feasible then Evolution. Many wrap the Big Bang Theroy as the trigger of an Intelligent Creator.


20 posted on 08/18/2005 5:26:24 PM PDT by shoedog
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http://www.caseforacreator.com/home.php

a very good book.


21 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:03 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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Key part of article:

Maureen Dowd, in her inimitable way, summed up the liberal argument earlier this year:

Exploiting God for political ends has set off powerful, scary forces in America: a retreat on teaching evolution, most recently in Kansas; fights over sex education . . . a demonizing of gays; and a fear of stem cell research, which could lead to more of a "culture of life" than keeping one vegetative woman hooked up to a feeding tube.

He loves Maureen Dowd. 'Nuff said.

22 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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No issue makes us look like a bunch of uneducated moonbats than the NUTS who push junk science known as "intelligent design" based on a fairy tale.


23 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:37 PM PDT by Clemenza (Pirro is Hillary with an (R))
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The left doesn't have a clue about anything intelligent. Let them get vociferous over something they know nothing about.


24 posted on 08/18/2005 5:27:43 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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There are many arguments that evolution is part of intelligent design and a rather beautiful and elegant part of that design to boot. In the same way man guided the evolution of canines to todays great danes and chiuauas so too is there a divine hand in the evolution and creation of all the world's creatures.

What's funny is that some of the people who support intelligent design the most aren't ignorant bible thumping conservatives but pysisists and astronomers on the bleeding edge of science who must deal with the impossibility of all this being a random coincidence on a daily basis.

And that is why intelligent design will ultimately succeed because it's not just faith which backs it up its the fact that if the "settings" of the universe were off by a billionth of a billionth of a percentage point (speed of light, electron volt, etc) the life, the universe and everything would simply not exist at all.


27 posted on 08/18/2005 5:28:54 PM PDT by pcx99
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I'll add "crackpot" to the long list of other names Lefties call conservatives (to no avail with me): bigot, intolerant, racist, homophobe, right-winger, war-mongeror, Jesus freak, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah...
29 posted on 08/18/2005 5:29:43 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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Take the stem-cell debate, where the great questions are moral, not scientific--whether embryonic human life should be created and destroyed to prolong adult human life. Liberals might win that argument on the merits, but it's by no means a sure thing.

What merits? The Utilitarian Code of Merit? Liberals, libertarians, and conservatives who support stealing my money to kill human beings don't argue the case on its merits, they lie, obfuscate and instill false hope and fear in those afraid of their own mortality.

30 posted on 08/18/2005 5:29:52 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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