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Rice: Israel must take more steps
Jerusalem Post ^ | Aug. 18, 2005 | Herb Keinon

Posted on 08/18/2005 4:21:25 PM PDT by Alouette

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To: itsahoot

I've emailed the President till I am blue in the face....I feel like a ram butting a Dam....but what else can I do

Does Condi have an email address???


161 posted on 08/18/2005 10:09:10 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Alouette

Alouette, I just can't get too mad at Secretary Rice for her comments, as tactless as they are.

Prime Minister Sharon created this unilateral disengagement plan and sent his aide Dov Weisglass to Washington to convince the administration that it is the right thing. According to news accounts, the Bush Administration was opposed to the plan. I believe that they finally agreed to throw half-hearted support behind the plan when they understood that Prime Minister Sharon was dead set on moving forward.

But you can't expect the US to let this plan replace the US agenda in Israel, particularly if the administration believes that the plan is misguided and will not result in peace.

It's an ugly situation, any way you slice it.


164 posted on 08/18/2005 11:14:30 PM PDT by Piranha
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To: anotherview

President Clinton did far worse for Israel than President Bush is doing.

President Clinton endorsed the Oslo process, and even sent James Carville to Israel to campaign for the Labor Party.

He made things very, very difficult for Prime Minister Netanyahu.

He had Yassir Arafat to the White House more than any other foreign leader. He did more to legitimize Yassir Arafat and the PLO than any other administration, including Bush 41.

President Clinton followed the Oslo process, but then got behind it and pushed it forward. President Bush followed Prime Minister Sharon's disengagement plan, but he never was a big fan of it and Secretary Rice is making clear that the Bush administration does not accept it as a means to refocus US policy in Israel. It's not Bush/Rice's fault that Prime Minister Sharon blundered forward blindly with this lame plan.


165 posted on 08/18/2005 11:25:09 PM PDT by Piranha
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To: ml/nj

Well said. This is the kind of crap we used to get from Jimmy Carter and Andrew Young.


166 posted on 08/18/2005 11:28:53 PM PDT by Luke21 (t)
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To: NYC Republican
Even those who otherwise support Condi for President don't even have the cajunes to say, at the very least (with one exception), that they still support her, but she's wrong here

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

167 posted on 08/18/2005 11:28:54 PM PDT by Piranha
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To: NYC Republican

You take Christ's name in vain so flippantly. You have no understanding. This land was given to the people of Israel by the most high God during the days of Abraham. It is sacred ground.

You insult the name of the Son of God and defend cretins like Bush and Rice. You do not understand that Christians and Jews answer to a far higher power than your Bush and your Rice. Away with them. They deserve the same fate as Sharon's gang of traitors.


168 posted on 08/18/2005 11:48:15 PM PDT by Luke21 (t)
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To: itsahoot

Was it a terrible disappointment to you when the President became the first American President to actually officially call for a Palestinian state?
"Were you riotously indignant when Hillary called for the same thing, during the Clinton tenure?"

It's immaterial as to indignation when Hillary called for the same thing. That was then, this is now. And it's Bush that is doing it. Condi Rice does speak for the President, and what she is saying nauseates me. It nauseates me because this policy of withdrawal from settlements on land won from Israel's enemies during war, and therefore legitimately theirs, is Bush's policy.

Bush is a globalist like his old man, and he is deep down inside, not pro-Israel, just like his old man who was an Arabist. The old man and James Baker (another big Arabist, and I might add all three of them, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Baker, are big oil men, and friends of the Saudi royal family) are influencing Bush Jr's policy, I can smell it. The acorn falls close to the tree. I don't trust (and didn't from the start of his term as Prez) Bush Jr on his Israel policy and neither should the Israeli's trust him. He speaks with forked tongue on this issue and wants to create a terrorist state right next to Israel. If he thinks that state will be democratic, he is delusional. Forty-nine percent of Pali's are under the age of fifteen. Prime Jihad age, as it's primarily their young who are fanatical and irrational (although most of them are irrational, now that I think about it).

I hope Sharon loses to Netanyahu, whom at least has seen the light, unlike Ariel. And I hope this happens soon, before Sharon, whom seems to be smitten by Bush Jr, causes more harm to the State of Israel, in conjunction with Bush. Otherwise, Israel may be doomed, with only the nuclear option card to play when the situation becomes totally untenable.


169 posted on 08/18/2005 11:48:35 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: Piranha
"Prime Minister Sharon created this unilateral disengagement plan..."

You might want to see the following.

From the UN:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2003/sc7924.doc.htm
"[On 20 December 2002, the “Quartet” (Russian Federation, United States, European Union, United Nations) reached agreement on the text of the Road Map with the goal of resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and ending the occupation that began in 1967. That goal was to be achieved on the basis of the 1991 Madrid peace conference, the principle of land for peace, Council resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973) and 1397 (2002), agreements reached previously by the parties, and the “Arab Initiative” of Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah endorsed by the Council of the League of Arab States on 28 March 2002. The performance-based and goal-driven Road Map presented clear phases, time lines, target dates and benchmarks aimed at the progression by the two parties through reciprocal steps in the political, security, economic, humanitarian and institution-building fields, under the auspices of the Quartet. The Road Map was officially submitted to the parties on 30 April 2003.]"

President Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leadership
The Rose Garden
June 24, 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020624-3.html
Excerpt:
"The United States, the international donor community and the World Bank stand ready to work with Palestinians on a major project of economic reform and development. The United States, the EU, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund are willing to oversee reforms in Palestinian finances, encouraging transparency and independent auditing."

2004 Republican Party Platform on Israel
http://www.gopconvention.com/media/2004platform.pdf

Excerpt:
"Republicans agree with President Bush that Israel's plan to remove all settlements from Gaza and several settlements from the West Bank is a courageous step toward peace in the face of continuing terrorist violence. This initiative can stimulate progress toward peace as laid out in the Road Map launched by President Bush."
170 posted on 08/18/2005 11:51:36 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Alouette
She also said the Palestinian Authority must disarm Hamas.

So when is this part supposed to happen exactly? Before or after they follow through with the previous promise of putting the state of Israel on their maps?

171 posted on 08/18/2005 11:56:34 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Yehuda
WH: 202-456-1111 / Condi: 202-647-5291 / State: 202-647-4000
http://contact-us.state.gov/ask_form_cat/ask_form_secretary.html


Thanks, and thank you for posting the contact info.
172 posted on 08/18/2005 11:58:10 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Palladin

I am sick as I listen to the Israel National Radio. I cannot believe my own government and my own president have taken part in the betrayal of God's people. The rabbi's are ripping their garments as in the days of Biblical travail.

This reminds me of a cross between the Elian Gonzalez raid and the Sudeten crisis of 1938. Soldiers and lies. I listened to Michael Medved today spouting the same arguments that the defenders of Hitler used before World War 2. "Why govern 1 million people who hate your guts?" He said this over and over. Hitler used the Sudeten Germans as a trojan horse within Czechoslovakia in similar fashion.

I am so sick and appalled. I am ashamed of this foolish president and his foolish secretary of state.


173 posted on 08/19/2005 12:05:51 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: familyop

Although I opposed and continue to oppose the Road Map, at least it required the Palestinian Arabs to crack down on terrorism before Israel was required to take action.

As your post demonstrates, while the US was pushing forward with the Road Map, Prime Minister Sharon unilaterally invented this Gaza "disengagement" and reluctantly got President Bush and Secretary Rice behind it. It was not required by the Road Map and, indeed, was inconsistent with the Road Map since it did not require Palestinian Arab actions against terrorism.


174 posted on 08/19/2005 12:12:33 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: zahal724
I used to like her a lot. I especially like her view on gun control (read, NO gun control). But this is really ticking me off. I originally thought she would be a good candidate against Hillary, but I could never bring myself to vote for her now.

My sentiments, exactly.

ML/NJ

175 posted on 08/19/2005 4:21:06 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: NYC Republican

She's twisted and your just plain ignorant.

You might want to check this out:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45845


176 posted on 08/19/2005 5:55:53 AM PDT by juzcuz
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To: All

I am so disappointed in Bush, et al, about this.
No wonder his approval rating is falling. I am simply speechless.
And although anything democrat is far worse, I expected greatness from this man, Bush.
The only thing I can think and hope is that once the PA moves into Gaza and turns it into a terror factory, Sharon can squash them like bugs and spare the settlers from what he must do.
God bless Israel!


177 posted on 08/19/2005 6:11:40 AM PDT by jackv
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To: tomahawk

Forced Israel ? I thought that majority of Israelis and their government support this pull out.


178 posted on 08/19/2005 6:11:58 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: XeniaSt

"The land extends from the sea on the west to the west bank of the Euphrates."

wow


179 posted on 08/19/2005 6:13:17 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Palladin
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180 posted on 08/19/2005 7:38:27 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (AMERICA FIRST !!!)
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