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Porous border frustrates states
The Dallas Morning News ^ | August 18, 2005 | MICHELLE MITTELSTADT and DAVID McLEMORE

Posted on 08/18/2005 9:18:50 AM PDT by SC33

Frustration is rising along the Southwest border.

Angered by unending waves of illegal immigration, some Americans have taken matters into their own hands by forming "Minuteman" patrols that they plan to expand from Arizona to Texas this fall.

A Houston congressman is pushing for creation of militias of armed volunteers to augment Border Patrol forces. Gov. Rick Perry is mulling a border neighborhood watch-style program.

And in recent days, the governors of Arizona and New Mexico – fed up with the failure of the federal government to control the border – have declared state emergencies in counties struggling with rising immigrant smuggling and violence.

"It's a scream for help from Congress," said Frank Sharry, head of the National Immigration Forum, an immigrant advocacy group lobbying for an immigration overhaul. "They are basically pounding the table and saying, 'Do something.' "

While Washington policy-makers are definitely attuned to the growing public anxiety over border security and illegal immigration, they're far from achieving consensus on the proper remedy.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; napolitano; perry; richardson
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To: bayourod

Wow, that's the only thing you could highlight out of all of that entire post?

Your primary assertion was that there is a lowering of crime rate, even with illegals. I proved that wrong.

Your desperation is showing.


41 posted on 08/18/2005 6:08:04 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: bayourod

Why are you against the US having secure borders?


42 posted on 08/18/2005 6:09:03 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Travis McGee

-- There is one (1) less Mexican illegal alien car-jacker SOB in the USA today -

-- "On or about eight (8) years ago" three (3) fortyfour-forty (.44-40) Blue Glasers fired from a Colt SA exploded in his upper torso mass -

-- Room temperature...... - exit laughing......


43 posted on 08/18/2005 6:18:18 PM PDT by devolve (------- http://tinypic.com/a47v9u.gif --American Immigration ---- Good-Bad-or-Ugly?-- -)
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To: bayourod
So should I add "anti-Latino men" to the things that the Antis are anti?

Weak,'rod. I mean, really wimpy.

Your true self is showing

So is your's - devoid of machismo. Whining about being attacked, all the while attacking - you could at least take what you got coming like a man. Disgusting.

44 posted on 08/18/2005 6:18:34 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: sheik yerbouty

Don't bother arguing with Bayourod. He has already admitted on a previous thread to having an illegal maid, or was that Dane? It might have been Dane, but they are both one in the same anyway.


45 posted on 08/18/2005 6:28:52 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
"Your primary assertion was that there is a lowering of crime rate, even with illegals. I proved that wrong. "

No you didn't. I cited the statistic that the crime rate is the lowest in 35 years. Site your data the you claim you proved me wrong with.

All you did was quote a bunch of anti-Hispanic opinions and unique isolated types of offenses and typical recidivism rates.

Typical 1960s type propaganda that only people predisposed to believe the worse about Hispanics (or Latinos as you call them) would use to reinforce their opposition to reforms that the Secretary of Homeland Security has testified are necessary to secure our borders against terrorists.

Bush haters on both sides of the political spectrum seem to think that their hatred of President Bush justifies any degree of dishonesty.

46 posted on 08/18/2005 6:47:11 PM PDT by bayourod (Blue collar foreign laborers create white collar jobs. If they come they will build it.)
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To: bayourod; skeeter

Look at your previous post, quisling

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1465954/posts?page=27#27

Read what the woman said "Because the California I see everyday is crime ridden, jails are full etc etc.... "

You said, "urban myth". Which means that you say illegals dont commit crime. Those stats I posted showed that your assertion was a total lie.

You're a total propagandist liar who has been banned so many times from this site.

For a quick review of bayourod's other lies see:

To: JediForce
"P.S. My Senate Majority Leaders Survey/Fund raising letter came in with 45 questions. AND NOT ONE ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OR BORDER SECURITY....NOT ONE. "

It's only an important issue to a very small number of people, all of whom post on FR.
215 posted on 07/19/2005 10:32:21 AM CDT by bayourod





To: PRND21
"Tancredo and his followers are bumbling fools."

It's even worse than that. ****They are against the war in Iraq.******* It is part of their isolationist philosophy as enunciated by their prophet Buchanan.

****They opposed President Bush sending troops to Iraq in the beginning. *****They want the troops brought back now to guard the border and they want the money being spent on Iraq to be spent building a wall around our borders.

310 posted on 07/19/2005 1:29:44 PM CDT by bayourod


47 posted on 08/18/2005 6:52:13 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: bayourod
So should I add "anti-Latino men" to the things that the Antis are anti?

Image hosted by Photobucket.com

(bayourod as a child)

"Help me! I see Antis!"

48 posted on 08/18/2005 6:55:11 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: bayourod

Just curious, Rod. What would you call an hispanic who is anti illegal alien?


49 posted on 08/18/2005 6:57:58 PM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: bayourod
Your tagline shows an astounding ignorance of basic economics.

Not that it suprises me at all.

L

50 posted on 08/18/2005 6:59:43 PM PDT by Lurker (1-866-DHS-2ICE.-Toll free and anonymous. Report illegal aliens and those who hire them.)
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To: bayourod
Bush haters on both sides of the political spectrum seem to think that their hatred of President Bush justifies any degree of dishonesty.

What's your excuse for being dishonest? Is it your hatred of American workers, or is it your love for illegal alien workers? Or both?

51 posted on 08/18/2005 6:59:53 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: judgeandjury

LMFAO!!!!!!!!


52 posted on 08/18/2005 7:16:27 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
You undertook to, and have claimed to, disprove my statement that the crime rate in California is the lowest in 35 years

All you had to do is provide a link to statistical data that shows that the crime rate is not down, but instead all you did was throw up a smoke screen.

What is it about President Bush that triggers such emotional irrational dishonesty as we see in Cindy Sheehan, Howard Dean and Michael Moore?

If your head hasn't exploded already, this thread should put you over the top.

53 posted on 08/18/2005 7:45:36 PM PDT by bayourod (Blue collar foreign laborers create white collar jobs. If they come they will build it.)
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To: bayourod

Are you really this stupid? No, you're a troll. Let's go through this again:

Look at your previous post, quisling

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1465954/posts?page=27#27

Read what the woman said "Because the California I see everyday is crime ridden, jails are full etc etc.... "

You said, "urban myth". Then you went on to spout off about anti illegals blah blah blah... Which means that you say illegals dont commit crime. Those stats I posted showed that your assertion was a total lie.

Does that address illegal aliens? Nope!


In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.


The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.


source:http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html



Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security and Claims. "Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status. In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens." Source: http://www.house.gov/judiciary/morganelli100103.htm

Forty-five percent of criminal illegal immigrants are re-arrested after their release, with more than 80% of those offenses occurring in L.A. County, said Bob Mimura, head of the countywide criminal justice coordinating committee."


54 posted on 08/18/2005 7:50:27 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: bayourod
You undertook to, and have claimed to, disprove my statement that the crime rate in California is the lowest in 35 years

What does your strawman argument have to do with illegal immigration?

55 posted on 08/18/2005 7:52:24 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: bayourod
What is it about President Bush that triggers such emotional irrational dishonesty as we see in Cindy Sheehan, Howard Dean and Michael Moore?

What is it about illegal immigration that triggers such emotional irrational dishonesty as we see in individuals like you?

56 posted on 08/18/2005 7:56:25 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: SealSeven
"What would you call an hispanicHispanicHispanicshis panichis-panicHispanic'sHispaniola who is anti illegal alien? "

Whatever they prefer to be called, just like everyone else, SevenSealsSeven SealsSeven-SealsSenselessDefenselessSafeness'sStencilsStanislas. Different people have different reasons for sharing certain feelings. One Hispanic lady says she dislikjesdislikesdislodgesdislocates them because: "They make me look bad." She is quite proud that her family has been here several generations. One of her complaints is that they "just keep having babies, babies, babies and more babies." Actually the average is 3.1 babies, compared to the national average of 2.1 I guess different people have different values. My family on both sides predate the Revolutionary War. Each of my grandmathersgrandmothersgrandmother'sgrandfathersgrandfather'sgrandmother had ten children. Not all survived to adulthood. Large families were necessary at the turn of the last century in rural West Texas and Northern Alabama. Somehow I don't feel like my grandmothers make me look bad at all.

57 posted on 08/18/2005 8:09:39 PM PDT by bayourod (Blue collar foreign laborers create white collar jobs. If they come they will build it.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
the crime rate in California is the lowest in 35 years
58 posted on 08/18/2005 8:12:40 PM PDT by bayourod (Blue collar foreign laborers create white collar jobs. If they come they will build it.)
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To: bayourod; judgeandjury; skeeter; Itzlzha
LOL, check out bayourod on this thread. Bayourod, a friend to illegal alien criminals: http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/082005/08182005/123100 Worker Charged In Attack On Teen

Construction worker accused of severely beating 15-year-old girl who ignored his whistle.

By Keith Epps

Date published: 8/18/2005

A 15-year-old girl was severely beaten Tuesday evening in what police described as an unprovoked attack by a construction worker.

The girl was treated at Mary Washington Hospital, where she received about 30 stitches for injuries to her face and the back of her head, according to Robin Kocher, the new public information officer for the Spotsylvania County Sheriff's Office.

The girl also suffered a fractured bone on the right side of her face and a broken nose.

The suspect, 28-year-old Jose D. Ramirez of Prince William County, was charged with aggravated malicious wounding and abduction with the intent to defile. He was placed in the Rappahannock Regional Jail under no bond. Both charges carry potential life sentences.

Kocher said the incident occurred about 7:15 p.m. in the 200 block of Olde Greenwich Drive in Spotsylvania, near the Fredericksburg city limits. Ramirez, who police said is an illegal alien from El Salvador, was working on a townhouse there as part of a construction crew, Kocher said.

Police said he whistled at the girl as she walked by, then became enraged after the girl did not respond. Ramirez is accused of then running after the girl and pummeling her in the face and head, Kocher said.

According to authorities, the attacker then tried to drag the victim, fleeing into some woods only after a co-worker yelled for him to stop.

Fredericksburg police Officer Steve Johnson found Ramirez a short time later outside nearby 227 Farrell Lane, city police spokesman Jim Shelhorse said. Shelhorse said the suspect refused to comply with Johnson's demand to get on the ground, even though the officer had his gun drawn.

Other officers came to Johnson's aid and finally got Ramirez into custody with the help of a Taser. The city officer then turned the suspect over to Spotsylvania deputies, since the initial attack was in the county.

Police said the girl did nothing to provoke the attack and they aren't sure what triggered the suspect's action.

Prior to being taken to jail, Ramirez gave a statement to Spotsylvania detectives at the scene of the attack.

Ramirez reportedly has been traveling around the state doing work for various construction companies, Kocher said.
59 posted on 08/18/2005 8:18:19 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

My favorite 'rod fib - "I don't speak three words of Spanish"


60 posted on 08/18/2005 8:18:48 PM PDT by skeeter
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