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Judge rules Confederate letters are state property
The Charlotte Observer ^ | Aug. 17, 2005 | AMY GEIER EDGAR

Posted on 08/17/2005 11:45:31 AM PDT by Between the Lines

COLUMBIA - A judge has ruled that a collection of rare, Civil War-era letters belong to South Carolina rather than the man who has had them in his family for generations.

The state sued after Charleston resident Thomas Willcox tried to auction off the letters. Willcox, a descendant of Confederate Gen. Evander Law, filed for bankruptcy soon after.

The collection includes more than 440 letters detailing life in South Carolina between 1861 and 1863.

Many letters are correspondence between generals or the Confederate government and S.C. Govs. Francis Pickens and Milledge Bonham during the Civil War. Three are written by Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Other letters are from residents asking for help defending their communities or for the return of their slaves, who were taken from plantations to help build fortifications. Some letters provide gory details on the realities of war.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge John Waites issued an order Monday stating that the letters deal with the official duties of the governor and therefore are public records.

A large portion of the letters relate to the governor's military duties, Waites said in the ruling.

"These include information relating to military supplies and shortages, military preparations, the strength and condition of the military, documentation of troop movement, accounts and reports on results of certain battles, and use of funds for military purposes," Waites wrote.

Other provisions enacted during the period are mentioned in the letters, Waites said.

In 1861, the governor was authorized to issue bonds or stock in the name of the state to continue the construction of the new Statehouse. One letter, dated June 7, 1861, from Gov. Pickens to the president of the Bank of South Carolina deals with work on the capitol and the sale of state stock, the judge wrote.

Many of the letters have markings on them consistent with the docketing system of the day.

"Such a docketing system appears to indicate an intent to preserve the document as relating to the public office," Waites said.

State Attorney General Henry McMaster said it was important for the state to get the letters back because they represent "a unique historic and turbulent period in our country and state."

"We must do all we can to preserve the rich history and proud heritage of our state."

The letters will provide a link to the past for researchers, historians and students, said Rodger Stroup, director of the state Department of Archives and History.

"We owe a debt of gratitude to the Willcox family for preserving the documents all these years," McMaster said.

Willcox's attorney, Kenneth Krawcheck, said he learned of the ruling Tuesday and had not had time to examine it.

"We're going to review it in detail and then determine if we need to file an appeal," he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: billofrights; civilwar; constitutionlist; dixie; govtheft; govwatch; kelo; letters; libertarians; neoconfederate; privateproperty; southcarolina
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1 posted on 08/17/2005 11:45:32 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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Sounds like this guy is getting the shaft.

The State ought to pay him whatever he could get at auction plus some.

That'd be the way to settle it.

2 posted on 08/17/2005 11:48:01 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Between the Lines
Another blow to eminent domain, although there is still a chance that this ruling will be overturned at the Federal level.
3 posted on 08/17/2005 11:48:05 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: Between the Lines

I don't know anything about the docketing system - or it's use as an intent to make the letters a public document.


5 posted on 08/17/2005 11:49:41 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: tallhappy

Nah...He should have stuffed them down his pants legs and walked out ..


6 posted on 08/17/2005 11:50:54 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: Between the Lines

"Oops, sorry, they fell in the fireplace. Too bad."


7 posted on 08/17/2005 11:50:59 AM PDT by TheBigB (Gum would be perfection!)
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To: Between the Lines
"We owe a debt of gratitude to the Willcox family for preserving the documents all these years," (Attorney General Henry) McMaster said.

The rest of the quote "...but we don't owe them a dime because we have the weight of the lawgivers in black on our side."

8 posted on 08/17/2005 11:51:05 AM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

It's not a blow to eminent domain at all, it's a blow for eminent domain. All your property are belong to us, The State.


9 posted on 08/17/2005 11:51:10 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Between the Lines

Give the state a bill for 130+ years of storage fees.


10 posted on 08/17/2005 11:51:30 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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"We owe a debt of gratitude to the Willcox family for preserving the documents all these years," McMaster said.

Which McMaster will repay by stealing the letters.

11 posted on 08/17/2005 11:51:46 AM PDT by American Quilter
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U.S. Bankruptcy Judge John Waites issued an order Monday stating that the letters deal with the official duties of the governor and therefore are public records.

Huh? Sure, they are public records if they are in the hands of the government, but that shouldn't mean that the government can steal them from whoever owns them.

Does that mean that if a congressman ever wrote you a letter, that some day the government can come and take it from me?

12 posted on 08/17/2005 11:51:54 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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"We owe a debt of gratitude to the Willcox family for preserving the documents all these years," McMaster said."

Yes, they do owe the guy something. Why not pay him for what the items are worth?
13 posted on 08/17/2005 11:52:47 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: coloradan

Eminent domain calls for "Just Compensation" so I'd have to say a blow to. I guess you could argue both.


14 posted on 08/17/2005 11:53:11 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: Between the Lines
If it's correspondence between generals or between the general and the government, then it is public record - just as correspondence between Rummy and a current general are public records.

But a good argument could be made that since the Confederate government does not exist, then the letters belong to the owner. But then you get into whether or not the Confederacy was ever a legitimate government.
15 posted on 08/17/2005 11:53:30 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (I don't trust a government I can't shoot back at.)
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To: Between the Lines
This sets a really, really bad precedent.
16 posted on 08/17/2005 11:55:31 AM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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Dam Activist Judge. And I thought they honored the Life
Liberty,and Property stuff recognized by our Founders.
To claim a man has no right to the property he psseses is
down right UNAmerican and pure D double Despotism as Mr.
Jefferson warned against.


17 posted on 08/17/2005 11:55:57 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Between the Lines

Is this a case of seizure of personal property without compensation or warrant?

If the guy was trying to sell them to pay off some debts then more power to him. Unfortunately, it sounds like he got shafted for trying to be a responsible bill-paying citizen.

In hindsight, he probably should have published them, copyrighted it, and sold it. Just Damn


18 posted on 08/17/2005 12:01:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors. Don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: Between the Lines
Give the state photocopies of the letters and let the OWNERS keep the originals.
19 posted on 08/17/2005 12:01:48 PM PDT by msnimje
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To: Between the Lines

Property rights thwarted again. This judge is stretching where no man has gone. It truly is assinic.


20 posted on 08/17/2005 12:02:00 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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