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A New Way to Trace a Gunshot to Its Source
New York Times ^ | August 17, 2005 | John Holl

Posted on 08/17/2005 3:29:03 AM PDT by Pharmboy

Edited on 08/17/2005 5:10:40 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

An acoustic sensor on a lamppost in East Orange, N.J., where the Police Department will start using the sensors next week in an effort to combat gun violence.

EAST ORANGE, N.J., Aug. 16 - The sound of gunshots has become such a routine part of the urban cacophony here that the police say many residents do not even bother to call them anymore.

But starting next week, members of the East Orange Police Department will be able to "hear" the gunshots themselves through a network of high-tech acoustic detectors placed on utility poles and lampposts throughout the city. The system, which cost $300,000, can triangulate the location of gunfire within three to five seconds and relay the information to officers.

"We will be able to respond so much faster to gun violence, in some cases by several minutes," said Jose M. Cordero, the police director. "We needed to find new ways of policing. If we do not change, we are not going to win against crime."

The sensors, which have been used by the military since 1996 to pinpoint the location of snipers but have become available commercially only in the last year, may conjure up Orwellian visions of Big Brother eavesdropping on street-corner conversations. But Mr. Cordero said that the sensors can pick up only "specific acoustic vibrations" associated with gunfire and can distinguish between gunshots and firecrackers...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: apprehension; guns; police; triangulation
If they can't pick up conversations, not a problem, AFAIC.
1 posted on 08/17/2005 3:29:04 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

I wonder if you can incorporate the sensors into the helmets of our soldiers, and then use the sensors in conjunction with some of their portable hardware to triangulate and locate the sources of gun shots all around them.

The more soldiers in range of the unit that collects the sensor data, the more accurate the triangulation. Would help our troops immensely, I imagine.


2 posted on 08/17/2005 3:33:24 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Pharmboy

"We've got so many guns so going off, we can't keep track of 'em! But, we spent $300,000 on problem, and now we know that most of the shorts are coming from the grassy knoll. Our crime problems are practicaly solved."


3 posted on 08/17/2005 3:39:13 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Pharmboy

They should make bullets that have a string connected from the casing to the slug. So that, when someone gets shot, they just have to follow the string, kinda like a trail of bread crumbs, to the killer!

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4 posted on 08/17/2005 3:45:20 AM PDT by deadeyedawg (Crush our enemies, listen to their lamentations, and drive them before us!)
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To: Pharmboy
The sound of gunshots has become such a routine part of the urban cacophony here that the police say many residents do not even bother to call them anymore.

How can this be??? NJ has some of the strictest gun laws!

5 posted on 08/17/2005 3:51:34 AM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: Pharmboy

This has got to be the basis of an automated sniper system, probably linked to heavy artillery.


6 posted on 08/17/2005 3:58:36 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra
I meant of course anti-sniper. Oops!
7 posted on 08/17/2005 3:59:23 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Pharmboy
Nice technology, but not new.

I remember reading about this type of system being set up in LA maybe ten years ago.

(steely)

8 posted on 08/17/2005 4:01:25 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: Steely Tom

...and at 300k it doesn't seem to be all that expensive for what it can do.


9 posted on 08/17/2005 4:04:03 AM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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"We will be able to respond so much faster to gun violence, in some cases by several minutes,"

“In some cases by several minutes”. If they have a unit in the immediate neighborhood.
I live in a pretty good neighborhood, but there have been two armed home invasions on my block in the last half dozen years. In the first case officers arrived over twenty minutes after it was reported that shots were fired. In the second case response time was nearly fifteen minutes.
The system should be good for collecting data.
10 posted on 08/17/2005 4:05:24 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: bikepacker67

Just like that gun ban in DC, in place since 1974. Yeah, no guns there although I wouldn't drive through DC after dark.


11 posted on 08/17/2005 4:12:11 AM PDT by deadeyedawg (Crush our enemies, listen to their lamentations, and drive them before us!)
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To: Pharmboy

From the law of unintended consequences, I predict this will drive the popularity of illegal silencers.


12 posted on 08/17/2005 4:22:29 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: deadeyedawg

When I am in SouthEast DC after dark, I take great comfort in the knowledge that absolutely no guns are anywhere within the city limits.


13 posted on 08/17/2005 4:29:02 AM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: gridlock

BRRRRRRRRRRR! SE DC after dark? YEOW! Not without a platoon of heavily-armed Marines around me.


14 posted on 08/17/2005 4:34:48 AM PDT by deadeyedawg (Crush our enemies, listen to their lamentations, and drive them before us!)
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15 posted on 08/17/2005 4:42:24 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: Pharmboy

And the last sound many of them will record is the shot that takes it out.


16 posted on 08/17/2005 4:51:27 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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...and at 300k it doesn't seem to be all that expensive for what it can do.

I'm sure $300k is less than the early systems went for, but technology has gotten a lot cheaper since then, too.

For $300k, someone's making good money on this.

(steely)

17 posted on 08/17/2005 5:44:44 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: Pharmboy

This is a waste of taxpayer money. New Jersey should just pass some more laws making guns even more illegal. That doesn't cost hardly a cent and will be just as effective.


18 posted on 08/17/2005 6:04:14 AM PDT by Gritty ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap" - Napoleon)
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To: trebb

From what I understand that was the fate of the video crime cameras in Chicago...


19 posted on 08/17/2005 6:29:27 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: Steely Tom

I remember that, too. I haven't heard anything about it since then.


20 posted on 08/17/2005 4:10:31 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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