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Committed Errors (Surprise: 9/11 Commission)
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Posted on 08/16/2005 10:51:31 PM PDT by STARWISE

National Security: After first denying that it knew about pre-9-11 intelligence naming Mohammed Atta as an al-Qaida operative, the 9-11 commission now admits it did know. Just who failed to connect dots -- and why?

Al Felzenberg, spokesman for the commission's follow-up program, the 9-11 Public Discourse Project, said earlier last week the panel was unaware of pre-9-11 intelligence linking Atta to al-Qaida.

(SNIP) wasn't included in the commission's public report, released four days before the 2004 Democratic National Convention, because it was not consistent with what the panel knew about Atta's activities before the attack.

But was the intelligence -- the result of a classified Army intel operation called Able Danger -- inconsistent or was it just inconvenient? And was it inconsistent with what the panel's members knew or inconsistent with what they wanted to believe?


Contrast this lack of curiosity on the part of the commission then and the media now with the questions Condoleezza Rice faced over a presidential daily briefing, or PDB, that allegedly warned Bush of the attack.

The shabby treatment of Rice, with Richard Ben-Veniste asking loaded questions based on false premises and then refusing to let Rice answer, hinted that this was less a search for information than an inquisition designed to bring the Bush administration down.

On the panel was a former Clinton administration deputy attorney general, Jamie Gorelick, a participant in the very events being investigated. Gorelick pummeled Rice not with questions, but with accusations of malfeasance.

She demanded to know why Rice's office failed to "connect the dots," knowing she was the one who issued the memo ordering the FBI to erect a legal wall between itself and the CIA, preventing them from sharing information. Gorelick should have been a witness herself, not a panel member.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; abledanger; atta; bond; bush; clinton; cornyn; gorelick; hillaryknew; thewall
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"Sens. John Cornyn and Christopher Bond were right to demand that Gorelick testify publicly about the wall, a demand the 9-11 commission flatly rejected last year just as it dismissed out of hand one of the consequences of that wall: the failure to pass on intelligence on an Atta-al Qaida link.

As a frustrated Cornyn said last year, "(Gorelick) is a person with knowledge of relevant facts. Either the commission wants the whole truth or it does not." Maybe not.

Maybe we should reconvene the 9-11 commission, let the Atta intelligence be publicly discussed, debated, debunked or confirmed. And this time call Jamie Gorelick as a witness."

1 posted on 08/16/2005 10:51:31 PM PDT by STARWISE
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2 posted on 08/16/2005 10:53:50 PM PDT by nopardons
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Richard Ben-Veniste one of the lowet forms of life on the planrt. Gorelick and her master (the beast) have the blood of over 3,000 on their claws.

3 posted on 08/16/2005 10:58:52 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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Someone interview John Ashcroft. Where is he? He was the only one woh pointed this stuff out at the time. And I think he was slapped down for doing it.

4 posted on 08/16/2005 10:59:13 PM PDT by Brimack34
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When you think about it (and we already knew it here at FR), Clinton and his administration are responsible for 9/11 becoming a reality rather than a plan. All those deaths, the havoc our nation has gone through, the money the economy lost, are all their fault because they sat there and did nothing. Like the saying “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” isn't applicable because there were no good men or women in that administration.

They ought to be hung out to dry for malfeasance if nothing else. I despise that man.

5 posted on 08/16/2005 11:06:06 PM PDT by tiki
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To: nopardons; Peach; Mo1; MJY1288; ravingnutter; Southack; backhoe; Howlin; Lancey Howard
I wonder why this man hasn't re-appeared, and how he interacted with Reno and Gorelick's positions and actions????

Eric Holder

Upon graduating from Columbia Law School, he moved to Washington, D.C. and joined the Department of Justice as part of the Attorney General's Honors Program. He was assigned to the newly formed Public Integrity Section in 1976 and was tasked to investigate and prosecute official corruption on the local, state and federal levels. While at the Public Integrity Section, Mr. Holder participated in a number of prosecutions and appeals involving such defendants as the Treasurer of the state of Florida, the Ambassador to the Dominican Republic, a local judge in Philadelphia, an Assistant United States Attorney in New York City, agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and a "capo" in an organized crime family in Pennsylvania.

In 1988, Mr. Holder was nominated by President Reagan to become an Associate Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. He was confirmed by the Senate and his investiture occurred in October of that year. Over the next five years, Judge Holder presided over hundreds of civil and criminal trials and matters. Many of the trials involved homicides and other crimes of violence.

In 1993, President Clinton nominated Mr. Holder to become the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. He was confirmed later that year and served as the head of the largest United States Attorneys office in the nation for nearly four years. He was the first black person to serve in that position.

As U.S. Attorney, Mr. Holder created a Domestic Violence Unit to more effectively handle those types of tragic cases, implemented a community prosecution project to work hand in hand with residents and local government agencies in order to make neighborhoods safer, supported a renewed enforcement emphasis on hate crimes so that criminal acts of intolerance would be severely punished, developed a comprehensive strategy to improve the manner in which agencies handled cases involving the abuse of children, launched a community outreach program to reconnect the U.S. Attorney's office with the citizens it serves, revitalized the Victim/Witness Assistance Program to better serve those individuals who were directly affected by crime and developed "Operation Ceasefire", an initiative designed to reduce violent crime by getting guns out of the hands of criminals.

In 1997, President Clinton appointed Mr. Holder to serve as Deputy Attorney General, the number two position in the United States Department of Justice. He became the first African-American to serve as Deputy Attorney General. Mr. Holder briefly served under President Bush as Acting Attorney General pending the confirmation of Attorney General John Ashcroft.

As Deputy Attorney General, Mr. Holder supervised all of the Department's litigating, enforcement, and administrative components in both civil and criminal matters. Under his guidance, the Department developed and issued its guidelines on the criminal prosecution of corporations (the so called "Holder Memorandum") and issued guidelines on the use of the False Claims Act in civil health care matters. A task force he created also developed the existing regulation concerning the appointment of special counsels to investigate allegations involving high-level federal officials.

He began the Department's Children Exposed to Violence Initiative and made Department priorities enforcement efforts in health care fraud, computer crimes and software piracy. Mr. Holder successfully worked to fund and expand nationwide the concept of community prosecution which seeks to connect more directly prosecutors with the citizens they serve. At the request of the President, Mr. Holder began and directed Lawyers for One America a multi-agency, public/private partnership designed to diversify the legal profession and to increase the amount of pro bono work done by the nation's attorneys.

As Deputy Attorney General Mr. Holder was at that time the highest-ranking black person in law enforcement in the history of the United States.

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Hello .. more like a cover up

Jamie Gorelick had NO business being on that panel

She should have been a witness

7 posted on 08/16/2005 11:11:12 PM PDT by Mo1 (Keep talking Cindy .. Tell us all what your true feelings of Israel are)
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Oh my, I remember him!

Why hasn't he reappeared? Oh, I don't know; is he still alive?

8 posted on 08/16/2005 11:13:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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Yes .. if I recall he was still Head of the Justice Department a while after the President took office

Because the Dems in the Senate DELAYED AND STALLED Ashcroft's appointment as the new Attorney General
9 posted on 08/16/2005 11:14:09 PM PDT by Mo1 (Keep talking Cindy .. Tell us all what your true feelings of Israel are)
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An interesting theory. The firewall was erected by Clinton appointee Gorelick to protect the Clinton's and the democratic party from investigation of those Chinese contributions into the campaign coffers. And now their best defense is an offense.

10 posted on 08/16/2005 11:15:25 PM PDT by BigFinn
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To: nopardons
Eric H. Holder Jr.

Covington & Burling
Washington, DC

Mr. Holder is a litigation partner who handles, among other matters, complex civil and criminal cases, domestic and international advisory matters and internal corporate investigations.

During his professional career, Mr. Holder has held a number of significant positions in government. Upon graduating from Columbia Law School, he moved to Washington, D.C. and joined the Department of Justice as part of the Attorney General's Honors Program.

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To: STARWISE he wasn't Arkancided.

I guess we'll have to dig deeper.

12 posted on 08/16/2005 11:28:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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Clinton et. al. not only put in place barriers (walls) to prevent intelligence sharing, they also would later cover up the existence of these walls to the American public and of course to the 911 commission, which was being run by a representative of the Clinton Administration. Thats a whole lot of risk to expose yourself too. Obviously if Kerry had won they would not have had to expose themselves to these potential criminal charges.

The worse case conspiracy would insinuate that this was done to cover up the specific terrorist who would later carry out the 911 attack. That could also mean that a 911 type of attack was planned and potentially operational even during Clintons last days. Perhaps this was Clinton's ace in the hole just in case the senate decided to remove Clinton from office with the impeachment vote. Dont know if the time lines fit precisely. Of course to lose the Senate vote, the actual voting would have had to take place when Arlen Spector was not half way into his bootle of Scotch.

13 posted on 08/16/2005 11:33:58 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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You ask an excellent question. Holder, Gore's Secretary of State in waiting, seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. Other people who have been eerily quiet about the "9/11 Commission scandal include Janet Reno, Madeline Albright, and this guy:

14 posted on 08/16/2005 11:36:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Peach; Mo1; Southack; backhoe; ravingnutter; Dog; nopardons; All
From their REPORT


32.The names of at least three of the hijackers (Nawaf al Hazmi, Salem al Hazmi, and Khalid al Mihdhar) were in information systems of the intelligence community (((NOT ABLE DANGER - ANOTHER INFORMATION SYSTEM??))) and thus potentially could have been watchlisted. Had they been watchlisted, the connections to terrorism could have been exposed at the time they applied for a visa or at the port of entry.

Had they been watchlisted, their terrorist affiliations could have been exposed either at the time they applied for a visa or at the port of entry.Two of the hijackers (Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari) presented passports manipulated in a fraudulent manner that has subsequently been associated with al Qaeda.

Based on our review of their visa and travel histories, we believe it possible that as many as eleven additional hijackers (Wail al Shehri, Waleed al Shehri, Mohand al Shehri, Hani Hanjour, Majed Moqed, Nawaf al Hazmi, Hamza al Ghamdi,Ahmed al Ghamdi, Saeed al Ghamdi, Ahmed al Nami, and Ahmad al Haznawi) held passports containing these same fraudulent features, but their passports have not been found so we cannot be sure.

Khalid al Mihdhar and Salem al Hazmi presented passports with a suspicious indicator of Islamic extremism.There is reason to believe that the passports of three other hijackers (Nawaf al Hazmi,Ahmed al Nami, and Ahmad al Haznawi) issued in the same Saudi passport office may have contained this same indicator; however, their passports have not been found, so we cannot be sure.

33. Khallad Bin Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Zakariya Essabar,Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, and Saeed al Ghamdi (not the individual by the same name who became a hijacker) tried to get visas and failed. Kahtani was unable to prove his admissibility and withdrew his application for admission after an immigration inspector remained unpersuaded that he was a tourist. All the hijackers whose visa applications we reviewed arguably could have been denied visas because their applications were not filled out completely. Had State visa officials routinely had a practice of acquiring more information in such cases, they likely would have found more grounds for denial.

For example, three hijackers made statements on their visa applications that could have been proved false by U.S. government records (Hani Hanjour, Saeed al Ghamdi, and Khalid al Mihdhar), and many lied about their employment or educational status.

Two hijackers could have been denied admission at the port of entry based on violations of immigration rules governing terms of admission--Mohamed Atta overstayed his tourist visa and then failed to present a proper vocational school visa when he entered in January 2001; Ziad Jarrah attended school in June 2000 without properly adjusting his immi- gration status, an action that violated his immigration status and rendered him inadmissible on each of his six sub- sequent reentries into the United States between June 2000 and August 5, 2001.

There were possible grounds to deny entry to a third hijacker (Marwan al Shehhi). One hijacker violated his immigration status by failing to enroll as a student after entry (Hani Hanjour); two hijackers overstayed their terms of admission by four and eight months respectively (Satam al Suqami and Nawaf al Hazmi).

Atta and Shehhi attended a flight school (Huffman Aviation) that the Justice Department's Inspector General concluded should not have been certified to accept foreign students, see DOJ Inspector General's report,"The INS' Contacts with Two September 11 Terrorists:A Review of the INS's Admissions of Atta and Shehhi, its Processing of their Change of Status Applications, and its Efforts to Track Foreign Students in the United States," May 20, 2002.

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Oh my word, just look at all of that info!

And another agency, another "secret" group who knew about all of this, besides Able Danger? Holy Cow!

16 posted on 08/16/2005 11:51:55 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Lancey Howard
That's the guy who wrote the position papers on Iran that Carter used. This collosall failure of the Carter Administration was then selected to head the State Department - an appointment that surprised even his supporters.

Never considered to be an original thinker (in any positive way), his main talent was that given enough time he could bore sides into negotiating a settlement.

17 posted on 08/16/2005 11:55:03 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Peach; Mo1; Southack; backhoe; Howlin; Miss Marple; MJY1288; ravingnutter; Dog; nopardons; ...

But on December 21, the day after principals decided not to launch the cruise missile strike against Kandahar, the CIA's leaders urged strengthening the language to allow the tribals to be paid whether Bin Ladin was captured or killed. Berger and Tenet then worked together to take this line of thought even further.

They finally agreed, as Berger reported to President Clinton, that an extraordinary step was necessary. The new memorandum would allow the killing of Bin Ladin if the CIA and the tribals judged that capture was not feasible (a judgment it already seemed clear they had reached). The Justice Department lawyer who worked on the draft told us that what was envisioned was a group of tribals assaulting a location, leading to a shoot-out.

Bin Ladin and others would be captured if possible, but probably would be killed. The administration's position was that under the law of armed conflict, killing a person who posed an imminent threat to the United States would be an act of self-defense, not an assassination.

On Christmas Eve 1998, Berger sent a final draft to President Clinton, with an explanatory memo. The President approved the document.

Because the White House considered this operation highly sensitive, only a tiny number of people knew about this Memorandum of Notification. Berger arranged for the NSC's legal adviser to inform Albright, Cohen, Shelton, and Reno. None was allowed to keep a copy. Congressional leaders were briefed, as required by law. Attorney General Reno had sent a letter to the President expressing her concern: she warned of possible retaliation, including the targeting of U.S. officials. She did not pose any legal objection.

A copy of the final document, along with the carefully crafted instructions that were to be sent to the tribals, was given to Tenet.

A message from Tenet to CIA field agents directed them to communicate to the tribals the instructions authorized by the President: the United States prefer red that Bin Ladin and his lieutenants be captured, but if a successful cap- ture operation was not feasible, the tribals were permitted to kill them. The instructions added that the tribals must avoid killing others unnecessarily and must not kill or abuse Bin Ladin or his lieutenants if they surrendered.

Finally, the tribals would not be paid if this set of requirements was not met. The field officer passed these instructions to the tribals word for word. But he prefaced the directions with a message:"From the American President down to the average man in the street, we want him [Bin Ladin] stopped."

If the tribals captured Bin Ladin, the officer assured them that he would receive a fair trial under U.S. law and be treated humanely. The CIA officer reported that the tribals said they "fully understand the contents, implications and the spirit of the message" and that that their response was,"We will try our best to capture Bin Ladin alive and will have no intention of killing or harming him on pur pose."

The tribals explained that they wanted to prove that their standards of behavior were more civilized than those of Bin Ladin and his band of terrorists.

In an additional note addressed to Schroen, the tribals noted that if they were to adopt Bin Ladin's ethics,"we would have finished the job long before," but they had been limited by their abilities and "by our beliefs and laws we have to respect."

Schroen and "Mike" were impressed by the tribals' reaction. Schroen cabled that the tribals were not in it for the money but as an investment in the future of Afghanistan. "Mike" agreed that the tribals' reluctance to kill was not a "showstopper." "From our view," he wrote, "that seems in character and fair enough."

Policymakers in the Clinton administration, including the President and his national security advisor, told us that the President's intent regarding covert action against Bin Ladin was clear: he wanted him dead.This intent was never well communicated or understood within the CIA.Tenet told the Commission that except in one specific case (discussed later), the CIA was authorized to kill Bin Ladin only in the context of a capture operation. CIA senior man- agers, operators, and lawyers confirmed this understanding.

"We always talked about how much easier it would have been to kill him," a former chief of the Bin Ladin unit said.

In February 1999, another draft Memorandum of Notification went to President Clinton. It asked him to allow the CIA to give exactly the same guidance to the Northern Alliance as had just been given to the tribals: they could kill Bin Ladin if a successful capture operation was not feasible. On this occasion,however, President Clinton crossed out key language he had approved in December and inserted more ambiguous language. No one we interviewed could shed light on why the President did this.President Clinton told the Commission that he had no recollection of why he rewrote the language.

Later in 1999, when legal authority was needed for enlisting still other collaborators and for covering a wider set of contingencies, the lawyers returned to the language used in August 1998, which authorized force only in the context of a capture operation. Given the closely held character of the document approved in December 1998, and the subsequent return to the earlier language, it is possible to understand how the former White House officials and the CIA officials might disagree as to whether the CIA was ever authorized by the President to kill Bin Ladin.


Dear Lord .. this evil, spineless quibbler is unbelievable!! Those poor trusting tribals .. how many times were they led, mislead and confused. The American, coalition and tribal lives gone, families griefstricken, our eminent standing in the world ... all at risk or gone .. from stunning vanity and selfish incompetence and negligence.

Even with attempts at scrupulous whitewashing, these situations peek through that are undeniably descriptive of just how badly he screwed up ..just imagine what we DON'T KNOW. And now he travels the world, treated with great deference and worship, earns an est. $15-20M a year and fantasizes about his legacy when he should be ostracized, prosecuted and left to rot in a hellhole of a prison. LET THERE BE JUSTICE IN OUR LIFETIMES.

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Able Danger, 9-11 Report, Gorelick, and so much more...

Click the picture...

19 posted on 08/17/2005 12:11:48 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

A big job and GREAT work, b ... thanks for all your devotion.

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