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I am still eating my steak medium rare!!
1 posted on 08/15/2005 11:56:39 PM PDT by Pro-Bush
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To: Pro-Bush

Curious indeed. Please let us know how this story develops if you can. Thanks.


2 posted on 08/16/2005 12:03:12 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Prime Choice

MOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabwwwwwaahhahahhahahahaaaaaa!


3 posted on 08/16/2005 12:04:09 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Pro-Bush
Just FYI, some of the infected meat from the first "mad cow" went to Idaho.

They didn't get it all with the recall.

5 posted on 08/16/2005 12:10:40 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: Pro-Bush
The scientific reality is complicated.

First, many cases of prion disease in humans are likely spontaneous generation i.e. not acquired.

Second, there are prion-based biochemistries in the brain that serve some critical function but which are poorly understood.

Third, a significant fraction of humans have some immunity to prion diseases of the type that is found in beef.

All of which makes it a very complicated and nasty type of disease with little hope of a solution.

6 posted on 08/16/2005 12:11:33 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Pro-Bush
I am still eating my steak medium rare!!

I like mine to stand up and Moo at me.

7 posted on 08/16/2005 12:12:24 AM PDT by FOG724 (RINOS - they are not better than the leftists, they ARE the leftists.)
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To: Pro-Bush

As far as mad cow goes, I don't think it matters if you cook your meat until it's crunchy.

It is still there and just as deadly if it is infected.


8 posted on 08/16/2005 12:19:20 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Pro-Bush
Did all 5 have a medical procedure done by the same doctor using the same surgical instruments?

A gynecologist, for example?

The prions cannot be destroyed by autoclaving, and can be passed on to the next patient.

11 posted on 08/16/2005 12:34:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
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I still can't figure out what they're so damn mad about.

16 posted on 08/16/2005 12:41:30 AM PDT by Old Seadog
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The real fact in the USA is, CJD isn't a reportable disease in most states, and even then, many are misdiagnosed. Rapid onset is a sure sign of mad cow. This is excactly what happened in the UK. The story doesn't mention if some of the victims were younger.
I also notice they are trying to pass it off to wild meat, and to people who may have traveled to europe, just like they did about 5 years ago when there was another string of deaths by CJD in another state.
The real truth is cows get it naturaly, about one cow in a million, just like humans get it naturaly at about the same rate.
we don't find all the cows, and that's a concern.

We don't diagnose all the human cases properly in all states, and that's a concern as well. It should be reportable in every state, and EVERY single sudden onset case in humans should be investigated and confirmed, which can only be done by autopsy. Regular CJD is slow onset, variant CJD is rapid onset, affects young people within 5 years of eating bad beef.

We need to test every single cow, that's the only way to be safe.

What's worse, is it is transferable human to human from blood products, even surgical equipment. Those prions can servive sterilization. We have to be very carefull with this stuff. It is worse than aids if it breaks out.


23 posted on 08/16/2005 1:47:11 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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Just a hunch, from research my oldest daughter has been involved with for some time now (currently pursuing her PhD).......I'd be looking at blue-green algae blooms in the surrounding ranches.

She's in South Carolina now, studying why bald eagles are dying. In short, loons eat the blue-green algae, eagles eat the loons. When autopsied, the eagles are found to have "holes" in their brains.

Anecdotal, yet possible evidence of linkage between blue-green algaes (which have nasty toxins, folks) and diseases in humans such as Alzheimer's and Parkinsons.


27 posted on 08/16/2005 2:25:50 AM PDT by RightOnline
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Prions are not the cause (though they may be an effect) of BSE, CJD, etc. Prions cannot act as infectious agents. For more information and links have a look here or other places on the web.
30 posted on 08/16/2005 4:37:14 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Pro-Bush
"I am still eating my steak medium rare."

Might just as well. Conventional sterilization temperatures won't kill CD pathogens.

32 posted on 08/16/2005 5:54:33 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: Pro-Bush
Seems like they are hinting it could have come from Chronic Wasting Disease in elk.

Curious, but that has been around for a long time.
33 posted on 08/16/2005 5:59:51 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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