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To: Borges

"The campaign is strikingly similar to letters sent to the Russian authorities earlier this year, signed by members of Parliament and academia, which attempted to outlaw other Jewish religious books as inhumane and claimed that Jews had staged anti-Semitic attacks to besmirch the name of patriotic Russians. "

Ukraine is far less tolerant of this skinhead mentality that eminates from Russia.

Don't forget that the Kremlin is responsible for killing far more Jews than the Nazis - and that two thirds of those killed at Babi Yar were non Jewish Ukrainians - including the national soccor team that beat the German team desptie the warning they would be executed if they did humiliate the Germans.

PS - I don't see the Russians helping us in Afghanistan and Iraq - The Ukrainians are and would do more were it not for Yushchenko's Russian opposition.


11 posted on 08/15/2005 1:02:18 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot; Borges
Ukraine is far less tolerant of this skinhead mentality that eminates from Russia

Oh please. Yulia Tymoshenko, Prime Minister, is closely allied to the Una-Unso nazis. She was the first politicians to greet 3 of them upon their release from prison, under Kuchma. Link provided in a previous post.

Furthermore, they served as Yushchenko's bodyguards, also link provided.

Try to spin it as you like Spanalot, the stink will still rise from the Yushchenko-Tymoshenko Road Show.

14 posted on 08/15/2005 2:45:15 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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ping


16 posted on 08/15/2005 2:45:48 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: spanalot; GarySpFc; A. Pole
I don't see the Russians helping us in Afghanistan and Iraq

I guess you missed the fact that the Russians armed the Northern Alliance and provided Russian crews to those tanks that ran over a good chunk of the Taliban. Without them, we furthermore wouldn't have had those bases in central asia.

18 posted on 08/15/2005 3:02:27 PM PDT by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: spanalot

"Don't forget that the Kremlin is responsible for killing far more Jews than the Nazis - and that two thirds of those killed at Babi Yar were non Jewish Ukrainians - including the national soccor team that beat the German team desptie the warning they would be executed if they did humiliate the Germans. "

Communist Kremlin definitely responsible directly for the death of tens of millions of people throughout fmr. USSR and indirectly for tens of millions more round the world where it was successfull in exporting this murderous system. I am definitely not going to defend it for all the terrible suffering it brought to the world.

However, for truth sake Kremlin could not have killed far more Jews than Hitler. There wouldn't be any Jews left then in the world if it did. In 1939 there were about 15 million Jews world wide. After Holocaust there were 9 million--6 million perished in Holocaust. Certainly among estimated 40 million of Lenin-Stalin victims were Jews, but they were murdered not because they were Jews but for other reasons, like being "enemies of people" during 1937-1938 great purge. The whole number of Jews was never more than 4 million throughout USSR existence, so Stalin simply could not have found that many Jews to murder.

At the end of his bloody tenure in power, Stalin wanted to target specifically Soviet Jews. He planned deportation of Soviet Jewry to the Far East in 1952-1953, starting with Doctor show trials, blaming them for plot to poison top Communist Party officials--the latest Stalin paranoia. Fortunately this bastard died before he could have put his evil plan in motion and the Soviet Jewry was saved from deportation.

In Babi Yar, the bulk of the victims were Jews murdered after German Nazi authorities ordered all Jews of Kiev to gather and were shipped to Babiy Yar to be shot there. Jews were murdered because they were born Jews--that's was the essense and horror of Holocaust. Non Jews were shot there too because they were Soviet POW's, Ukrainian Intellectuals opposing Hitler, etc--for political or military activities against German Reich. But Jews were shot simply because they were BORN Jews (from little children to elders) and its amoral to belittle this.


24 posted on 08/15/2005 3:44:52 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: spanalot
PS - I don't see the Russians helping us in Afghanistan and Iraq - The Ukrainians are and would do more were it not for Yushchenko's Russian opposition.

Wrong! Russia helped us secure the bases in the Stans, and also supplied much of the materals for the Northern Alliance. They also supplied the crews for the N.A. tanks.
25 posted on 08/15/2005 5:25:10 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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