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To: spanalot

"Don't forget that the Kremlin is responsible for killing far more Jews than the Nazis - and that two thirds of those killed at Babi Yar were non Jewish Ukrainians - including the national soccor team that beat the German team desptie the warning they would be executed if they did humiliate the Germans. "

Communist Kremlin definitely responsible directly for the death of tens of millions of people throughout fmr. USSR and indirectly for tens of millions more round the world where it was successfull in exporting this murderous system. I am definitely not going to defend it for all the terrible suffering it brought to the world.

However, for truth sake Kremlin could not have killed far more Jews than Hitler. There wouldn't be any Jews left then in the world if it did. In 1939 there were about 15 million Jews world wide. After Holocaust there were 9 million--6 million perished in Holocaust. Certainly among estimated 40 million of Lenin-Stalin victims were Jews, but they were murdered not because they were Jews but for other reasons, like being "enemies of people" during 1937-1938 great purge. The whole number of Jews was never more than 4 million throughout USSR existence, so Stalin simply could not have found that many Jews to murder.

At the end of his bloody tenure in power, Stalin wanted to target specifically Soviet Jews. He planned deportation of Soviet Jewry to the Far East in 1952-1953, starting with Doctor show trials, blaming them for plot to poison top Communist Party officials--the latest Stalin paranoia. Fortunately this bastard died before he could have put his evil plan in motion and the Soviet Jewry was saved from deportation.

In Babi Yar, the bulk of the victims were Jews murdered after German Nazi authorities ordered all Jews of Kiev to gather and were shipped to Babiy Yar to be shot there. Jews were murdered because they were born Jews--that's was the essense and horror of Holocaust. Non Jews were shot there too because they were Soviet POW's, Ukrainian Intellectuals opposing Hitler, etc--for political or military activities against German Reich. But Jews were shot simply because they were BORN Jews (from little children to elders) and its amoral to belittle this.


24 posted on 08/15/2005 3:44:52 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973

Estimates of total deaths at Babiyar are 150-200,000 and of these it is estimated that 35-50000 were Jews.

The Russians made many gains by deflecting attention away from their own antisemitism by making false claims about other groups like the Ukrainians and Poles.


27 posted on 08/15/2005 7:05:40 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: sergey1973

Estimates of total deaths at Babiyar are 150-200,000 and of these it is estimated that 35-50000 were Jews.

The Russians made many gains by deflecting attention away from their own antisemitism by making false claims about other groups like the Ukrainians and Poles.


28 posted on 08/15/2005 7:06:26 PM PDT by spanalot
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