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Plane may have been hijacked (GREECE)
news24.com ^ | 8/14/05 | N/A

Posted on 08/14/2005 4:49:17 AM PDT by Gorons

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To: Rokke
Gawd, yes. . .CBT is a killer of brain-cells.

Stay away from it.

It does you no good.

Now. . .Distributed Mission Operations simulator missions are way cool.

Now that is the type of CBT I like and can get into.
221 posted on 08/15/2005 4:10:28 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Rokke; Pukin Dog
Seems the supposed text message allegedly received from some passenger on the doomed jet. . .wait for it. . .never happened. The guy that alleged he received such a text message was arrested for lying about it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1463972/posts

Curious.

You watch. . .the tin-foil hat wearing crowd will say; "Oh no! The cover-up begins!"

You watch.
222 posted on 08/15/2005 4:36:43 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Rokke

Toronto was easily explainable: the weather.

Cypriot flight: remains bizarre and perplexing


223 posted on 08/15/2005 5:04:57 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121; Rokke
Weather didn't cause the accident, landing long and hot did. . .what is perplexing is why the pilot landed long and hot. . .hmmmm. . .must have been a terrorist in the cockpit.
224 posted on 08/15/2005 5:40:52 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: eleni121
Strange Indeed.

Medical examiner now reports several passenger's alive on impact. This suggests that the pilots also could have been alive on impact and for more than an hour after the problems appear to have started.

What possible situation could have occurred that would render the crew unable to respond to air traffic control radio or take emergency action an hour prior to impact while at the same time passengers were apparently still alive. Obviously depressurization was not fatal over that period of time to all on board.

VERY FISHY
225 posted on 08/15/2005 5:43:40 PM PDT by r-pogo
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To: eleni121
"Toronto was easily explainable: the weather."

Yeah. You're right. Toronto is easily explainable. It is very common for commercial airliners to drive off the end of runways when it's raining out. Hundreds of rainstorms at airports all around the world at any given moment, and airplanes are sliding into the ditch at every one of them. Forget about the automatic landing systems that allow aircraft like the A340 to safely land in zero visibility with 30 knot crosswinds without a pilot ever touching the controls. Forget about redundant radars and windshear sensors on the aircraft that give the pilots plenty of warning and time to respond to dangerous weather. Forget about the fact that any Air France pilot senior enough to fly a widebody aircraft on transatlantic flights has thousands of hours and years of experience landing in lousy weather. Forget all of that because it makes perfect sense why that airplane crashed in Toronto. There was just some bad weather. Funny we haven't seen an investigation report on that one. Maybe you should get in touch with the investigating team and tell them you've got it all figured out.

Nevermind. I am done trying to explain to you that your ignorance on a topic does not mean that one of the greatest mysteries to hit civil aviation in decades is what caused this 737 to go down. Just be prepared for a bit of a letdown when the investigation is completed and it turns out this accident was nothing more than a tragic result of human made and maintained mechanical systems failing.

226 posted on 08/15/2005 6:36:06 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Gunrunner2
"You watch. . .the tin-foil hat wearing crowd will say; "Oh no! The cover-up begins!""

Oh they didn't wait for that news. The claims of cover up started before the fires were out. It HAS to be a cover up. Obviously since all the facts aren't already laid out like a Greek mosaic providing us with a perfect picture of exactly what happened to that airplane...IT'S A DAMN COVER UP!!! Worse yet, it is being covered up because this was OBVIOUSLY the result of some terrorist act. And the NWO is just covering up the acts of Islamofascist terrorists. Everyone knows airplanes just don't crash unless the shoebomber's brother sets off a bomb that causes the airplane to crash while magically leaving no trace an explosion ever happened. It's a cover up all right. It's got to be.

Oh by the way...this is just between you and me but I heard the reason the 737 went down was because it was in the process of spreading chemtrails across Greece. The spray equipment malfunctioned and directed the passivity chemicals right into the cockpit. Oh, and one more thing...it is all Bush's fault.

227 posted on 08/15/2005 6:47:49 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
Ahhh. . .that explains all. . .thanks.

You know, they are right. . .the cover up is very clever because there is no proof of anything and the lack of proof is proof of how good the cover up is. . . .those ba$tard$!

(Thanks for the laugh).
228 posted on 08/15/2005 7:12:19 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Rokke

Man you REALLY need a tin hat. The Toronto plane was an accident. Truly step away from your computer and get a grip. Geesh not EVERYTHING in the world is an act of terrorism. It is really scary that you believe the bs that you are posting. Hopefully you were being sarcastic or something.

Accidents DO happen you know.


229 posted on 08/15/2005 7:47:07 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: Rokke

lol you hit the nail on the head with some of these people! That was funny. The sad part is that there are so many posters that seem to buy into every conspiracy theory out there.


230 posted on 08/15/2005 7:50:28 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: Gorons

A possibility here:

Maybe the pilot had ALREADY LEFT HIS SEAT inorder to explore some solution when the reason/need to don the oxygen appeared...such that he was caught unawares (out of his seat, out of reach of the oxygen mask).

He MIGHT have left his seat to try to repair or remedy whatever might have been a problem, is my point, and THEN the emergency that prompted donning the oxygen mask occured.

That would explain the pilot not being in his seat, not being in the cabin (I haven't read if he was IN the cabin or not, just that he was not in his seat), and if that event then occured, the copilot would be as was wearing his oxygen mask and in the cabin but unconscious...with others trying to wrestle the plane under control.

I think there's not yet enough information to speculate about the various positions the crew and cabin crew were seen to be in from the F-16's.


231 posted on 08/15/2005 9:16:49 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: SLB
Doubled up on the fight deck?

I'll bet they had the fish...

232 posted on 08/15/2005 9:21:23 PM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: silentknight
"Hopefully you were being sarcastic or something."

Yeah. More like on the lines of "something".

233 posted on 08/15/2005 9:21:29 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: SlowBoat407

Excellent observation...I hadn't thought about that, the locked cabin door, how anyone outside that locked cabin would be able to know how the pilot appeared.

Interesting.


234 posted on 08/15/2005 9:24:41 PM PDT by BIRDS
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To: billbears; Rokke

I'm not talking about private plane crashes in the U.S.

I'm talking about airliner crashes world wide.

NTSB doesn't have those numbers, and I'm not sure anybody does.

In 2004, for example, the Chechen Islamokazis took down two Russian airliners on the same day. I don't remember or know how many other airline crashes worldwide there were that year, but I certainly remember those two.

When I hear major airline crash, the first cause that comes to mind is rabid islamic fanatics. It's unlikely that I'm the only person who thinks that way.

When I hear of a bombing in a subway, pizza parlor, bus, super market, school, or other soft civilian target, the first cause that comes to mind is rabid islamic fanatics.

Coulda been IRA, or neo-nazi skinheads, but the first cause I think of is the moozies.

You can disagree, but I don't think that qualifies me for a tin hat.


235 posted on 08/15/2005 10:10:58 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Westbrook
"I'm talking about airliner crashes world wide."

So am I. And the numbers are easily found on the internet. Try www.airdisaster.com. It lists every commercial accident from 1950 to 2005. So far in 2005 alone, there have been 16 commercial aircraft accidents. Exactly none of them were due to terrorist attack. In 2004 there were 28. The only two you remember were the only two attributed to terrorism. So were up to 2 out of 44 in less than two years. Keep moving backwards and you won't see anything dramatically different.

236 posted on 08/15/2005 10:33:58 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: jan in Colorado

ping


237 posted on 08/15/2005 11:15:04 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: johnny7; Aeronaut

Jumping in here late, by as you get into the high altitudes, icing is very possible, even in August over Greece. The temp drops as the altitude increases (called the lapse rate), and if there's moisture (a cloud), icing is possible.

The temperature on the ground is only a starting point for the ultimate temperature at altitude.


238 posted on 08/16/2005 12:04:10 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Gunrunner2; snopercod

Hey Gunrunner...

Just got here (only a weenie PPL, but that's something). I'll be checking on Avsig.com in the morning to see what some preety dang knowledgeable line pilots have to say.

Speculation is somewhat useful, but the noise to signal ratio is usually pretty high.

And yes, "communicate" is LAST in the Oh $#!t list. What IS ATC really going to do for you? Hit the Autoland button? :-)


239 posted on 08/16/2005 12:12:38 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Rokke

Just a tidbit of info here... I'm sure unrelated to the Air France of today. My father was an airline pilot for 33 years, retiring in 1979. He would not fly Air France after he saw a F/A bring martinis to the cockpit during a flight (this must have been the 1950s). Yikes!


240 posted on 08/16/2005 12:14:54 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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