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An Open Letter to the NCAA from the President of Univ of North Dakota
University of North Dakota's President's webpage ^

Posted on 08/12/2005 11:03:16 PM PDT by Sgt.Po-Po

An Open Letter to the NCAA:

The quiet serenity of our beautiful campus was disturbed early August 5 by news reports that the NCAA had decided to address the Indian nickname issue. The early reports were unclear; the words mascot, nickname, and logo were used interchangeably, and the loaded words “abusive” and “hostile” were invoked without definition and without any real clear idea as to how they were being applied. We don’t have a mascot, and our logo was designed by a very well-respected American Indian artist. We couldn’t imagine that these reports would apply to us.

Later, we saw the full release. While it looked like the action taken by the NCAA was insulting, and a flagrant abuse of power, we knew that good, well-meaning people were involved in the decision and we wanted to consider our reaction carefully.

We were initially stunned by the charge “abusive” and “hostile,” and then angry. We reflected and gave it a week before drafting this response. I must admit to sinking at one point during the past week to the notion that my Association was guilty of “political correctness run amok” as suggested by some papers.

We want to file an appeal, but first we need to know the basis for your decisions. We need the answers to some questions first, in other words.

I do not wish to take up the issue, here, of any absolute or general “correctness” of using American Indian imagery. Those on both sides of the issue have long ago made up their minds, and no amount of talking over many years seems to have moved anyone from one side of the issue to the other. Suffice it to say, some choose to be insulted by the use of these terms; others are befuddled by this reaction to what they consider to be an honor. What I would like to take up here is a matter of the appropriateness and legality of the NCAA’s action. I mean to take up the issue of whether the NCAA has gone over the edge and out of bounds in the action announced on Friday.

Is it the use of Indian names, images, and/or mascots to which you are opposed? If it is all of the above, which logos, images, and mascots do you indict by your announcement? Is it only certain ones? As I said, a very respected Indian artist designed and created a logo for the University. The logo is not unlike those found on United States coins and North Dakota highway patrol cars and highway signs. So we can’t imagine that the use of this image is “abusive” or “hostile” in any sense of these words.

Is it the use of the names of tribes that you find hostile and abusive?

Not long ago I took a trip to make a proposal to establish an epidemiological program to support American Indian health throughout the Upper Great Plains. On this trip I left a state called North Dakota. (Dakota is one of the names the indigenous people of this region actually call themselves.) I flew over South Dakota, crossing the Sioux River several times, and finally landed in Sioux City, Iowa, just south of Sioux Falls, South Dakota. The airplane in which I traveled that day was called a Cheyenne.

I think you should find my confusion here understandable, since obviously if we were to call our teams “The Dakotans,” we would actually be in more direct violation of what apparently you are trying to establish as a rule, even though this is the name of our state. This situation, of course, is not unlike that faced by our sister institution in Illinois.

Is it only when some well-meaning people object to the use of the names of tribes? If so, what standard did you use to decide where the line from acceptable to “hostile” and “abusive” is crossed? We note that you exempted a school with a certain percentage of American Indian students. We have more than 400 American Indian students here. Who decided that a certain percentage was okay, but our percentage was not? Where is the line between okay and hostile/abusive?

We have two Sioux tribes based here in North Dakota. One has, in fact, objected to our use of the name, “Sioux,” applied to our sports teams. The other said it was okay, provided that we took steps to ensure that some good comes of it, in educating people and students about the cultural heritage of this region. This mix of opinions is apparently not unlike that faced by our sister institution in Florida.

read more at: http://www.und.edu/president/html/statements/NCAAletter.html


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Dakota; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: americanindians; mascot; ncaa; nicknames; ofnorthdakota; sioux; university
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read more at: http://www.und.edu/president/html/statements/NCAAletter.html
1 posted on 08/12/2005 11:03:16 PM PDT by Sgt.Po-Po
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To: Sgt.Po-Po

More PC bullsqueese.

The is nothing, NOTHING, anyone can do or say these days that won't "offend" someone.

There is NO Constitutional right to not be offended.

Methinks the NCAA is going to face a shizstorm over this; possibly losing numerous member schools.


2 posted on 08/12/2005 11:08:57 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Sgt.Po-Po

bump


3 posted on 08/12/2005 11:09:08 PM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: Sgt.Po-Po

Actually it is neat to have this phony "sensitivity" exposed to the public. I am from Illinois, land of the Illini Indians. Not too far from me the Apache helicopter is manufactured and repaired. I think the Comanche helicopter was cancelled. They should rename the helicopter The Wuss in honor of the NCAA committee.

The vast majority of people I know have a profound respect for American Indians. I often teach members of various tribes in college classes.


4 posted on 08/12/2005 11:09:16 PM PDT by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn babies.)
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To: Sgt.Po-Po

I demand they get rid of the "Fighting Irish"!!!!!!!


5 posted on 08/12/2005 11:12:57 PM PDT by irishtenor (At 270 pounds, I am twice the bike rider Lance is.)
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To: Sgt.Po-Po

What about the Cleveland State Vikings?


6 posted on 08/12/2005 11:14:33 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: Sgt.Po-Po

maybe LSU should go back to their original nickname...


7 posted on 08/12/2005 11:21:15 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: Sgt.Po-Po

In cases where the Injuns have no beef with it, why should NCAA. Who they trying to please?


8 posted on 08/12/2005 11:23:37 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

"What about the Cleveland State Vikings?"

What about the Cleveland Indians? Or the fact that "Ohio" means "beautiful" in the Chippewa (or Obijwa)language. Good grief!! Where does it stop?


9 posted on 08/12/2005 11:24:18 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: The Red Zone

For that matter, ban the Redskins! It offends Indians because it has an indian logo, and it offends Southerners because it sounds like 'redneck'! /sarc off


10 posted on 08/12/2005 11:25:05 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (DON'T LET THE LEFT GET YOU!)
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To: Sgt.Po-Po
Dr. Kupchella did an absolutely superb job of taking the NCAA to school. They are heist on their own petard...

There is no good response to this letter. If the NCAA tries to respond, they will only make themselves look even sillier than they already do. At this point, their best defense is to drop the subject and retreat.

Nuclear letter!

11 posted on 08/12/2005 11:25:40 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: hsalaw

Obijwa = Ojibwe (typing too late and too fast)


12 posted on 08/12/2005 11:26:11 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw
Yes this is political correctness at the hight of hypocrisy.
13 posted on 08/12/2005 11:29:43 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Sgt.Po-Po
When is PETA going to get the NCCA to drop all the animal names. Must be very offensive, especially to critters who are at the dining end of many of the predator mascots.
14 posted on 08/12/2005 11:40:25 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Pray for America like its future depended on it, because it does!)
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I sure would like to read the answers to these questions but somehow feel the NCAA wont have the balls to respond. Good letter and deserves an answer. BTW, I am Indian and agree with the University. I see nothing wrong with using the Indian's names especially when they have the blessings of the named tribes.
15 posted on 08/12/2005 11:42:15 PM PDT by fish hawk (hollow points were made to hold pig lard)
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To: irishtenor

"By the way, the last time this issue was stirred up on our campus, a formal charge was made to the Office for Civil Rights that the use of our logo or nickname created a hostile environment here at the University. The Office for Civil Rights sent a half-dozen people to our campus. They fanned out across campus and after more than a week here, found no such thing. Did the Executive Committee find some things they missed, perhaps? Or does a committee in INDIANAPOLIS trump the Office for Civil Rights here, on the ground, in North Dakota?"

The NCAA must leave INDIANapolis, I'D suggest LIBERAL,KS for the NEW HQ.


16 posted on 08/12/2005 11:43:59 PM PDT by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: Sgt.Po-Po

Miles Brand is a major jerk and he is getting a million dollar a year salary.


17 posted on 08/12/2005 11:55:53 PM PDT by Misschuck
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

The Redskins are already a target.


18 posted on 08/13/2005 12:03:01 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: okie01
If the NCAA tries to respond, they will only make themselves look even sillier than they already do.

I can't imagine how they would do that, but maybe they'll find a way.

19 posted on 08/13/2005 12:05:15 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: PizzaDriver
The NCAA must leave INDIANapolis, I'D suggest LIBERAL,KS for the NEW HQ.

No, I'm terribly sorry, but that just won't work. From a Kansas history website: "Kansas was named for Konza (also called Kansa or Kaw) Indians who lived in the area."

Perhaps New Jersey or New York...maybe Rhode Island; the rest of our country unfortunately seems to be politically incorrect.

20 posted on 08/13/2005 12:13:38 AM PDT by garandgal
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