We're All Global Warmers Now

Reason ^ | August 11, 2005 | Ronald Bailey

[FlingWingFlyer]

All this "global warming" stuff will be irrelevant if John Roberts is confirmed to the Supreme Court.

We're all doomed! Doomed!

Demologic/off

[JustDoItAlways]

Yeah right, the scientists controlling the satellites and keeping them in orbit don't know how to correct for some kind of systematic drift.

Double Duh!

Look, just record some long-term temperatures and show me where they are increasing.

And don't point to melting glaciers either. They have been melting for 18,000 years.

The actual evidence we do have shows there are ice ages every 115,000 years, (100,000 years of ice followed by 15,000 years of interglacial.) That is the climate history for the past 2.5 million years.

Maybe we need a little warming to stave off the next ice age. Show me a study that says that is not true.

[avg_freeper]

"The new warming trend is still well below ideas of dramatic or catastrophic warming."

Bottom line, literally.

[Hardastarboard]

I check the weather three or four times a day on Yahoo, and it changes about three times a day. The US Meteorological Service can't even predict the weather throughout the course of one day.

Mr. Bailey, sie sind voll mit scheiss.

[theBuckwheat]

Despite what global lukewarmers say, the issue has never been about whether or not the climate is changing. Given the physical evidence, the tree rings, the ice cores, the ocean sediment samples, it would be silly to deny the climate is always changing.

The record is very clear: the earth has been far warmer at times in the past than it is today. The mammoth tusks being harvested in Siberia prove that region was far warmer in a long ago era, long before SUVs roamed North America.

The real issue is: what will humanity do about climate change? Indeed, can we or should we do anything?

It is no surprise that the Global Lukewarmers insist on devising solutions that always reduce personal freedom, increase the power of big and bigger government, and increase costs and taxes.

Will it benefit or harm humanity that the growing season in some areas of the world get a few days longer, or that it warms up enough that once again Greenland can be settled by farmers and ranchers, like it was by Erik the Red almost 1000 years ago.

But wait! If Greenland was that warm once, and Global Lukewarmers don't care to discuss how that came about, or how that destroys their climate models, should we speculate their predictions about the future climate trends are solid enough to speculate hundreds of billions of dollars on?

It seems like a lot of Global Lukewarmers are in a big rush to impose their solution. But is there really a problem that we can solve? Prudence dictates that we not be in any big hurry. If global warming was global, then its effect should be seen, well, globally. Please consider the chart on John Daly's climate change web site. Here is the temp chart for three cities in Columbia, Bogota, Neiva and Las Gaviotas. Where is the warming trend? http://www.john-daly.com/stations/bogota.gif Here is a link to the charts for other cities and city pairs: http://www.john-daly.com/stations/stations.htm Like this city pair in Finland and Sweden: http://www.john-daly.com/stations/jyvaskyl.gif Where is the "global warming"??

[calex59]

Not all Glaciers are melting and shrinking, some are growing. Global warming has been proven to be BS, several times. The alarmists however don't care about facts, they will make their own and scream and cry to the people so they can get funding. It is all about the money and control. If you can keep people scared you can control them, it is that simple.

[RJL]

Melting and shrinking glaciers as well as various temperature records from the earth's surface, weather balloons and satellites, IIRC.

In the last couple weeks I read a story lamenting the melting glaciers in Austria, and how they were covering parts of the glaciers with some material to help protect them from the heat.

It went on to say that in 2003 it was so bad they could see "a forest of tree stumps" under the ice.

This tells me that at one time the mountain was a lot warmer than it is now, and it was warmer for a long enough time to grow a forest.

[Reeses]

Do we want to loft a giant sunshade?

Yes, clouds. They turn the surface from a deep blue ocean color into a silvery white reflector. The even nicer thing is they can be made and managed locally, negating the involvment of a huge UN government.

[Jim_Curtis]

Maybe we need a little warming to stave off the next ice age. Show me a study that says that is not true.

The predictions of the Genesis of Warmist Scripture would show that we are living in a fast approaching Ice Age but man's warming factor has kept it in check. They are constantly trying to "adjust" their way out of that prediction because the people would be begging for more human warming contributions if the fear is that the earth is freezing over.

Another problem they have is the "Book of Gore" in their Warmist Scripture. If Cold winters are a sign of global warming, as we are instructed to believe in the "Book of Gore", then average yearly temperatures mean nothing because cold winters, which is a sign of warming, drives down the average temp and would be seen as less warming. Just as a warm winter, which must be a sign of global cooling, would make the average temp warmer and thus be seen as global warming.

[Gondring]

SO WHAT? Are they going to put a shield on the sun?

yes, that's one proposed option...mylar screens in orbit around the earth.

[Gondring]

Big deal, move a few miles north, same weather.

Uh, no.

You've illustrated why the discussion terminology should be "cimate change," not just "global warming."

[Chena]

Please send me global warming before December and the temps here fall to -30 to -60. Thanks. ;)

[Gondring]

These people are insane.

Nope...just more educated about the topic. :-)

Dust/soot particles of different sizes have different effects, just like high clouds can lead to warming and low ones to cooling.

[mysto]

WE'RE DOOMED!!!!!

[Gondring]

yep. And it doesn't affect us unless we caused it!

</sarc> ;-)

[denydenydeny]

Did anyone on this thread even read the article?

1) Reason isn't socialist; just the opposite.
2) Nowhere does the author even hint that the observed warming is man-made, or can be averted by artificial means.
3) The point of the article is to debunk the "to save the planet we all have to move into caves" hysteria of the environmental cult.

[Jim_Curtis]

These people are insane. Nope...just more educated about the topic. :-) Dust/soot particles of different sizes have different effects, just like high clouds can lead to warming and low ones to cooling.

Are cold winter temperatures a sign of global warming? :- )

[M. Espinola]

Based on this lousy, hot, humid weather I too am a firm believer in "global warming" -

- during the summer months!

[taxesareforever]

Instead of windmills maybe we should be putting up umbrellas.

[FreedomCalls]