Mexico, China, Bush & Betrayal(Interesting article whether you agree or not)

Magic City Morning Star ^ | August 9, 2005 | Doug Wrenn

[SC33]

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." (Preamble to the United States Constitution)

"Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: _______ 'I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.'"

(Article II, Section 1, United States Constitution)

[softwarecreator]

So what is your opinion of this?

[SC33]

Eh, some of it I like, other parts not so much. He is right about Clinton not dealing with terror problems while he was in office. Also, IMHO, we are being betrayed by our leaders on the issue of illegal immigration.

[softwarecreator]

we are being betrayed by our leaders on the issue of illegal immigration

I would not use the term "betrayed", but I am not happy with the current policy towards immigration and borders.

[taxed2death]

" I would not use the term "betrayed", but I am not happy with the current policy towards immigration and borders."

An oath is an oath, right?

What's the Constitution?....butt wipe? Or something with meaning.

[SC33]

I can't really say betrayed, because we were never really promised anything. I think we have been sold-out plain and simple.

[Sam the Sham]

I can't really say betrayed, because we were never really promised anything. I think we have been sold-out plain and simple.

Any chief of state of a nation at war who needs to be prodded to secure his country's borders has broken the promise of his office. Any chief of state of a nation at war who thinks cheap labor for his buddies is more important than national security has indeed betrayed his country.

Bush worships Latin America as fawningly as Kerry worships France.

[PaRebel]

The issue that I am unable to reconcile is this: Given nine-eleven, and the WOT, how is it that the Government can simply ignore, and in some cases, encourage the illegal immigration into this country, principally through the southern border?

If the Government is concerned about internal terrorism, how can it ignore the southern border problems?

Isn't what is happening on the southern border an invasion? If it is something other than an invasion, describe what that something else is?

[SC33]

There was a report from the Council of Foreign relations uncovered recently which basically outlines a plan to have no borders by 2010. That is why he encourages illegal immigration.

[Sam the Sham]

Cheap labor. The overriding desire of businesses to pay less than American wages by flooding the labor market with third worlders. This is about greed, pure and simple. This is about selfish interests that are selling us out.

[Red6]

Overseas and even in our domestic MSM, Bush is made to look like a radical, far right, religious, pro-Israel, war mongering, leader that acts unilateral.

In reality he is a moderate Republican, often going middle of the road to the dismay of the real far right within his own party.

You can never please all, Bush is no exception. However, unlike many of his predecessors, he goes by "Say what you mean, do what you say."

Red6

[SC33]

But his position on illegal immigration is not "moderate." 80% of the country wants a serious crackdown, yet he refuses to do anything. Bush's position is the radical one, not ours.

[PaRebel]

Can you provide a link, or otherwise, access to that report?

[SC33]

http://www.cfr.org/pub8102/independent_task_force_report/building_a_north_american_community.php

[vrwc0915]

mark to read later

[vrwc0915]

[vrwc0915]

Bush “Temporary Worker Proposal” Caused Increase in Illegal Immigrant Crossings, New Docs Show

Judicial Watch Releases Results of Controversial Border Patrol Survey at Joint Press Conference with Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO)





(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch, the public interest group that fights government corruption, today released the results of a previously undisclosed Border Patrol survey of apprehended illegal immigrants demonstrating that President Bush’s “temporary worker proposal,” was broadly interpreted as an illegal immigration amnesty program by illegal immigrants from Mexico, and led to a spike in illegal immigration crossings. Judicial Watch also uncovered through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) a Border Patrol document entitled, “White House Approved Talking Points,” directing Border Patrol agents to withhold information on the impact of the Bush amnesty proposal on illegal crossings.



Judicial Watch presented the documents and a report, U.S. Border Patrol Survey Analysis, to House Immigration Reform Chairman Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO) at a joint press conference. Among the conclusions of Judicial Watch’s report are:



President Bush’s proposal lured greater numbers of illegal immigrants to violate the law. Approximately 45% of respondents crossed illegally based upon rumors of a Bush amnesty program.
Approximately 63% of the illegal aliens surveyed received Mexican government or media information supporting the notion of a Bush administration amnesty program.
When asked if they would seek amnesty if offered, 80% of apprehended illegal immigrants answered, “yes.”


The “talking points memo” uncovered by Judicial Watch instructs Border Patrol agents to withhold information about the negative impact of the president’s proposal. “Do not talk about amnesty, increase in apprehensions, or give comparisons of past immigration reform proposals…Do not provide statistics on apprehension spikes or past amnesty data,” Border Patrol agents were told.



“Unfortunately, at a time when the United States faces an illegal immigration crisis and a war on terrorism, Bush administration officials directed Border Patrol agents to mislead the American people. Well, now the truth is out,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton in his press conference remarks.




On the day President Bush announced his “temporary worker program,” in a January 7, 2004 speech to the nation, the Border Patrol initiated a survey of apprehended illegal immigrants to determine if the president’s proposal was influencing their decision to cross the border. Three weeks after the survey was initiated the Bush administration abruptly shut it down. The federal government never issued a report on the aborted survey or its findings.



Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”) with the Department of Homeland Security in February 2004. When Homeland Security stonewalled, Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit in June 2004. In May and June 2005, almost a year later, Judicial Watch forced the release of approximately 1,000 documents, including the surveys (Judicial Watch v. Department of Homeland Security, Civil Action No. 04-0907 (RBW)).



“The timing of the survey’s start and early dismissal, and the DHS gag order and stonewalling of Judicial Watch’s request, suggest that the Administration is playing politics with border security data. I hope that this is not the case,” said Congressman Tancredo. “It is crucial that the American people know that their government is not letting politics get in the way of national security.”



Judicial Watch’s report, Border Patrol Survey Analysis, is available by clicking here. To view all enclosures, click here.

[dljordan]

"An oath is an oath, right?"

Not anymore. It's just a minor bump you have to negotiate in order to gain power to enrich yourself and your friends.

[Red6]

Well,

I don't disagree with you about the boarder. It should be sealed off better.

(I'm speculating)

But realize that there are a lot of Hispanics in the US. Even Bush has relatives who are Hispanic (Sister in law and others). They vote also.

The boarder is a sensitive issue. One issue tends to blur into another politically. Mexico for example hinged its security counsel vote on Iraq in 2002 completely on the boarder and whether we were willing to make concessions. Today we have CAFTA and other issues where if we close the boarder we might cause adverse reactions from Mexico.

There is a cost associated with closing the boarder and I’m not referring about the boarder patrolmen salaries. Our government IS moved by special interests and money. I imagine that it could adversely affect the bottom line for some if the steady flow of illegal workers were cut off. There could be resistance to a real crackdown because they don’t really want to out of financial interest.

Bottom line is that they will sell us a crock of $hit. They will refer to the American citizens enforcing the law along the boarders as “Vigilantes” (As Bush did) and will have talking points designed to appease the masses and tell them that this manure in reality smells real good.

Yes, Bush should act out what the "People" want. O'Reily and others have beat on this already and sadly nothing has changed. This is a sore spot for the base which elected him. He "IS" betraying those who put him where he is today by not acting.

Red6