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French History of Warfare
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Posted on 08/12/2005 1:39:29 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler

 The Complete Military History of France

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- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."

Or, better still, the quote from last week's Wall Street Journal: "They're there when they need you."

With only an hour and a half of research, Jonathan Duczkowski provided the following losses:

Norse invasions, 841-911.
After having their way with the French for 70 years, the Norse are bribed by a French King named Charles the Simple (really!) who gave them Normandy in return for peace. Normans proceed to become just about the only positive military bonus in France's [favour] for next 500 years.

Mexico, 1863-1864.
France attempts to take advantage of Mexico's weakness following its thorough thrashing by the U.S. 20 years earlier ("Halls of Montezuma"). Not surprisingly, the only unit to distinguish itself is the French Foreign Legion (consisting of, by definition, non-Frenchmen). Booted out of the country a little over a year after arrival.

Panama jungles 1881-1890.
No one but nature to fight, France still loses; canal is eventually built by the U.S. 1904-1914.

Napoleonic Wars.
Should be noted that the Grand Armee was largely (~%50) composed of non-Frenchmen after 1804 or so. Mainly disgruntled minorities and anti-monarchists. Not surprisingly, these performed better than the French on many occasions.

Haiti, 1791-1804.
French defeated by rebellion after sacrificing 4,000 Poles to yellow fever. Shows another rule of French warfare; when in doubt, send an ally.

India, 1673-1813.
British were far more charming then French, ended up victors. Therefore the British are well known for their tea, and the French for their whine (er, wine...). Ensures 200 years of bad teeth in England.

Barbary Wars, middle ages-1830.
Pirates in North Africa continually harass European shipping in Meditteranean. France's solution: pay them to leave us alone. America's solution: kick their asses ("the Shores of Tripoli"). [America's] first overseas victories, won 1801-1815.

1798-1801, Quasi-War with U.S.
French privateers (semi-legal pirates) attack U.S. shipping. U.S. fights France at sea for 3 years; French eventually cave; sets precedent for next 200 years of Franco-American relations.

Moors in Spain, late 700s-early 800s.
Even with Charlemagne leading them against an enemy living in a hostile land, French are unable to make much progress. Hide behind Pyrennes until the modern day.

French-on-French losses (probably should be counted as victories too, just to be fair):

1208: Albigenses Crusade, French massacared by French.
When asked how to differentiate a heretic from the faithful, response was "Kill them all. God will know His own." Lesson: French are badasses when fighting unarmed men, women and children.

St. Bartholomew Day Massacre, August 24, 1572.
Once again, French-on-French slaughter.

Third Crusade.
Philip Augustus of France throws hissy-fit, leaves Crusade for Richard the Lion Heart to finish.

Seventh Crusade.
St. Louis of France leads Crusade to Egypt. Resoundingly crushed.

[Eighth] Crusade.
St. Louis back in action, this time in Tunis. See Seventh Crusade.

Also should be noted that France attempted to hide behind the Maginot line, sticking their head in the sand and pretending that the Germans would enter France that way. By doing so, the Germans would have been breaking with their traditional route of invading France, entering through Belgium (Napoleonic Wars, Franco-Prussian War, World War I, etc.). French ignored this though, and put all their effort into these defenses.

Thomas Whiteley has submitted this addition to me:

Seven year War 1756-1763
Lost: after getting hammered by Frederick the Great of Prussia (yep, the Germans again) at Rossbach, the French were held off for the remainder of the War by Frederick of Brunswick and a hodge-podge army including some Brits. War also saw France kicked out of Canada (Wolfe at Quebec) and India (Clive at Plassey).

Richard Mann, an American in France wants to add the following:

The French consider the departure of the French from Algeria in 1962-63, after 130 years on colonialism, as a French victory and especially consider C. de Gaulle as a hero for 'leading' said victory over the unwilling French public who were very much against the departure. This ended their colonialism. About 2 million ungrateful Algerians lost their lives in this shoddy affair.




TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: cowards; defeat; france; french; frogs
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To: ukman

UKman, I would rather you cut our great allies the Americans some slack. Please don't turn this enjoyable French-whacking thread into a bitter YankSpanking session.


21 posted on 08/12/2005 4:23:21 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: ukman

>>>I hope this is taken in the spirit it is intended.<<<

This list is always popping up, but your post is the first I've ever seen that is cheeky enough to warrant a response.
Personally, I don't think that the French have a "very respectable" anything, but when it comes to fighting, they are absolutely disgraceful. Forget the rest and simply consider the Algerians. That's all that need be done here.

Did you happen to see the Columbia adventure? That's the American spirit!

p.s. They're giving away green solidarity ribbons at your local police station, hurry down and don't miss out!


22 posted on 08/12/2005 4:26:15 AM PDT by ishabibble
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To: Jeff Chandler
The Napoleonic Wars

Napoleon was pretty bloody terrifying if you ask me. Ok, he wasn't french, but his ruthlessly efficient marshals were.

23 posted on 08/12/2005 4:27:25 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

Napoleon was a great leader--no doubt about that. However, a key reason why the French did so well in the Napoleonic Wars was that the French often had overwhelming force. They were the first nation to implement a universal conscription, significantly boosting their ranks. This is why they were able to field a grand army of 250,00 against Russia (of which, only 25,000 returned).


24 posted on 08/12/2005 4:35:12 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: ChristianDefender
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."

Of course,we all know why the French plant trees along both sides of their roads...

Because the Germans perfer to march in the shade.

25 posted on 08/12/2005 5:21:38 AM PDT by woofer
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To: ukman
The US could not really be considered a major military power until after the 1st World War. We used the safety of oceans to avoid the ravages of external wars with major powers and expanded across the continent. I doubt anyone would seriously believe we were a match for European military powers if they could have projected there forces across land.
The second world war, of course changed everything. Geography no longer provided the aegis.We turned our enormous industrial might loose in a world ravaged by a century of war and threatened by a nuclear foe. The great cold war standoff ensued.
I don't think Europe has recovered to this day from the terrible losses and I think to little has been made of the fact. It will probably take another generation or two, in the great sweep of time, for Europe to recover its vigor and will. The arc of socialism and communalism follows weakened and feminised society. I don't think we can question the valor and fighting spirit of the tommy or grenadier throughout history. It is hard for any country to bear the enormous destruction of modern warfare for very long, the populous loses its will long before the courage of military forces fail. The lands of France probably more than any other place on Earth have borne ceaseless carnage reaching a climax in the last two centuries. That should have been the lesson for the French in Algeria, the US in Viet Nam, etc. I think it is what the Islamists are counting on, that there will is stronger than the West's. Time will tell.
26 posted on 08/12/2005 5:22:45 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: ukman

Yeap it's taken in the spirit of KMA. You must be french.


27 posted on 08/12/2005 5:26:52 AM PDT by zek157
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To: Old North State

I largely agree, WW2 did change everthing. Here in Europe we have largely recovered from the demographic losses, but the main change was that the Europeans (particularly France and Germany) had had enough of war, and are very conscious of the limitations and pitfalls of military force projection. This is why diplomacy and non-military power is always preferred. And as we see in Iraq, a big army can't solve every problem.
As for Islamists, who's scared of them? They're a minority among Muslims, and Muslims are still a small minority in all European countries: look at the figures, and relax.
As for their culture, I love a good curry, but that's all I (and most other Europeans) will ever take to.


28 posted on 08/12/2005 5:35:37 AM PDT by ukman
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To: zek157

I'm British. No sense of humour, what?


29 posted on 08/12/2005 5:36:46 AM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman
Gosh, UKMan, you mean other countries were involved in WWI and WWII?

I was always taught that we Yanks whipped the Kaiser and Hitler on our own. Are you sure of your "facts?" As you may know, nothing happened in WWII until Pearl Harbor was bombed by some people from Asia, so don't try and horn in on our tremendous victory against overwhelming odds.

Foreigner!

30 posted on 08/12/2005 5:40:22 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: ukman
They win one or two battles, but their capital city is captured and the White House is burnt down (not usually a sign one's winning), and Canada stays British.

Yeah, but with all due respect, during the War of 1812 our fledgling Navy beat the much-vaunted Royal Navy like a red-headed stepchild!

31 posted on 08/12/2005 5:41:40 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I love this comment from an old FR Thread

This came from a comment on the French suffering through the heatwave but not buying AC because it was too "American:"


"The French prefer the sour smell of sweat because it reminds them of the smell of German buttocks. At the root of their reptile cortex, each of them carries the genetic disposition for this odor like an infant for the smell of it's mother."


32 posted on 08/12/2005 5:42:56 AM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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Agincort was a long day for the French.


33 posted on 08/12/2005 5:51:04 AM PDT by Illwind
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Very true! And credit to the USN, John Paul Jones etc. But like I said, don't take my post too seriously. And I can't be arsed to discuss every fine point of US military history. It's all in books and website for everyone to read, and it speaks for itself. I've read a lot about other nations' military history too, which is why the Frog-bashing, funny at first, is beginning to irk me. That said, I'm neither pro nor anti-French: I just like to be fair.


34 posted on 08/12/2005 5:51:07 AM PDT by ukman
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To: Kenny Bunk

>Foreigner!<

That I am - and proud of it!


35 posted on 08/12/2005 5:53:36 AM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman
But like I said, don't take my post too seriously.

Oh, I take it in the spirit in which it was intented. I love my British cousins . . . except for the lobster-backed bastards who drove my people from their homelands in Acadie. As for the French? Well, it's tough to have a French surname these days.

36 posted on 08/12/2005 6:13:37 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Sorry, where is/was Acadie? Canada?


37 posted on 08/12/2005 6:18:12 AM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman
The Canadian maritime provinces: Acadie.
38 posted on 08/12/2005 6:21:08 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Jeff Chandler
- French Canal (in Panama)

- Lost. Surrendered to local mosquitoes.

39 posted on 08/12/2005 6:26:50 AM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: ovrtaxt
Especially the WW1 description!

Incorrect, but funny nonetheless.

40 posted on 08/12/2005 6:29:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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