9/11 Y2K; the 9/11 attack that happened BEFORE 2001 (Free Republic Exclusive)

FAA ^ | 9/11/00 | Southack and Government Sources

[Boundless]

> You lost me.

It would seem that the implication is that the Saudi
pilot might have been suicide pilot in training.

As for the collision itself, it sounds like a classic
general aviation vertical stack-up on final. The date
strikes me as a coincidence.

> ... Further examination of the damaged airplanes showed
> two diagonal slashes on the bottom-side of the Cherokee ...

Suggesting that the Aztec was below the Cherokee.
Since the Cherokee was piloted by the Saudi, a deliberate
collision seems unlikely. These were both low-wing a/c.

The Aztec pilot needed to look up, and maybe back.
But by the time the controller realized he had two
a/c on final that didn't see each other, it may have
been too late for any corrective calls.

[Velveeta]

VERY interesting.
Worth another look, at least.

Thanks for putting it all together into a thread.

Pinging others

[ZGuy]

Actually 15 months is pretty typical.

[leadpenny]

That parts normal. If you play around with index of months that's the way they do it. Go to the 9-11-01 attacks and you'll see there are still just a couple of sentences.

[airborne]

Atta's roommate! Holt s#@*!!!!

[nuffsenuff]

Maybe they picked 9/11/01 as the date for the attack because one of their boys was killed a year earlier?

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

Thanks for the ping Bykrbayb!

Interesting...PING!!

[Southack]

"The Aztec pilot needed to look up, and maybe back. But by the time the controller realized he had two a/c on final that didn't see each other, it may have been too late for any corrective calls."

Nope. The Aztec is substantially faster than the Cherokee. For the Aztec to have been below and ahead of the Cherokee as you hypothesize, the faster Aztec would have had to have flown under the slower Cherokee...and then reduced speed so much as to permit an accident. All without seeing the slow aircraft that he already flew under.

Not likely.

[BykrBayb]

You don't think there's anything newsworthy about a Saudi practicing for some later nefarious deed? I hope you're not the only witness to an event foretelling the next terror attack.

[HairOfTheDog]

It would seem that the implication is that the Saudi pilot might have been suicide pilot in training.

Heh.... I'd fire the guy that thought up the idea of practice suicide runs.

In all seriousness, this sounds like a traffic pattern collision to me. If I've noticed one thing in common with terrorist acts... they look like terrorist acts, therefore evoking terror... They don't try to make them look like accidents.

[Lazamataz]

Holy toads.

Welcome to Buckhead-Level Fame.

How come the best Freepers always seem to come from the South?

[SE Mom]

Hhhmmmmm...intriguing, eh?

[Lazamataz]

In all seriousness, this sounds like a traffic pattern collision to me. If I've noticed one thing in common with terrorist acts... they look like terrorist acts, therefore evoking terror... They don't try to make them look like accidents.

I'm of the opinion that Flight 800 over Long Island was taken down by a SAM launched from a boat.

Because of the government spin on it, that one looked like an 'accident'.

Same might apply here.

[HairOfTheDog]

I see no motive for the government to hide terrorism.

I've seen not success with any coverup involving more than one person actually remaining secret.

[Alex Marko]

VERY, VERY interesting. Good heads up my friend.

[wallcrawlr]

if nothing else....this certainly is interesting read and research

[devolve]

Good post - Practice flight?

Other larger aircraft in mind?


Heat-seekers mounted on small private aircraft for higher altitudes?




And later - the nutty kid who attacked a Florida bank - I believe -

[Lazamataz]

I see no motive for the government to hide terrorism.

Actually, you DID see the motive for said subterfuge.

After 9/11, there was a complete shutdown of all civilian aviation for a few days, and a multi-billion dollar impact on the economy for years thereafter.

Governments HATE multi-billion dollar impacts on the economy.

[freeperfromnj]

And later - the nutty kid who attacked a Florida bank - I believe

I was just about to post about the Florida kid who flew the plane into the Bank of America building. I always thought he was a terrorist in training. Another unresolved mystery.

[PAR35]

the Saudi national who piloted his aircraft into the Piper Aztec commercial flight

This isn't clear from what is posted. The Aztec is described as the faster plane, and and the damage from its propellers were to the underside of the smaller plane. Thus it appears that the larger plane was approaching from behind and below. Also note that the controller said, " the system failed because the pilots did not see each other and the pilot of the Aztec did not see the Cherokee. . " Of course, the controller kept telling the pilot of the Aztec to look left, when it appears that the smaller plane was in front and above.

You also make much of the 'commercial' nature of the Aztec. Do you know how many seats this 'commercial' plane has? (Usually 6, sometimes 5).